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What papers mean=a family tree someone paid $20+ to look at occasionally.
Sports fade & times change. A hunter should help slow it down every chance he gets..
If people can't afford an additional $20-50 yearly they likely can't afford to own or properly care for an animal.
Papers are important when selling animals, typically the more you have the better..

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If you are not going to go to the hunts with big enough numbers to get the maximum points looks like you would be loosing $$$.



Jim I might be wrong if I am correct me you could finish a dog into Grntch at 3 and 4 dog hunts at 1/4 points a hunt and in 8 hunts only earned about $200 but I am probly wrong ....... Again lol.

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Ukc I don't think is interested in making any changes at all, so I think we are beating a dead horse here.

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Agreed.. Its sad to, they had a shot to help owners, hunters, breeders, clubs and the sport and have chose to let this program dwindle down to the point it's no longer relevant.

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That one is 100% completely bogus. It has not one thing to do with what I can afford, it has everything to do with what I chose to pay. I'll pay $30 to gamble on a 6 month old pup. I wont no way pay $50-80 to gamble on that pup.

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If you are not going to go to the hunts with big enough numbers to get the maximum points looks like you would be loosing $$$.



Jim I might be wrong if I am correct me you could finish a dog into Grntch at 3 and 4 dog hunts at 1/4 points a hunt and in 8 hunts only earned about $200 but I am probly wrong ....... Again lol.

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I can't imagine not having enough faith in a pup or my training ability to not pay an extra $20 for a chance at a substantial return, but to each their own.. Only 10% goes to UKC, the rest to the folks out there keeping the sport I love alive. If my next pups a cull I'm very happy knowing the $ I put in the fund will go in a man's pocket that's hitting the hunts, helping the club and keeping the sport alive..

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Maybe this would work. UKC could show the performance breed leaders (put it where everybody see's it, on the website, on the message board, in the magazine etc....) Big and bold, so people would see it without searching for it. Everyone couldn't help but know which dogs are performing, which dogs are reproducing the winners. Overall leaders and breed leaders. Make a big deal out of it. This might get people out to the hunts.
Trophy's, well those are nice and a big deal at first, then after awhile, for most, not so good. They collect dust and aren't fun to clean up. If you have a trophy room, then maybe they are cool.
Recognition is really where it's at.
Simplify the registration/performance nomination, just make it so all pups will be performance paid up. Raise the registration fee for all pups and a % of the registration fee goes to the performance fund. If people choose not to go compete for the money, then their loss.
Just a thought.

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If you are not going to go to the hunts with big enough numbers to get the maximum points looks like you would be loosing $$$.



Jim I might be wrong if I am correct me you could finish a dog into Grntch at 3 and 4 dog hunts at 1/4 points a hunt and in 8 hunts only earned about $200 but I am probly wrong ....... Again lol.

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And that is your choice. So don't go saying anyone who choses otherwise is too poor to own a dog.

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How many dogs do you have to win against to get a full point I looked I can't find it.

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Joey. You are exactly right and you hit on the nail on the head why people choose to pay more but win less.

In Money Hunts you KEEP GOING. I think the part UKC needs to look at is the KEEP GOING.

You connect the KEEP GOING part to qualifying for the bigger hunts and keep state standings to get recognition. You have just came up with the secret sauce.

In your example it takes $240 to win 500 to 600 bucks. Thats not as good a deal as UKC. But the the benefits are bigger. Those dollars earned get you to the State Hunt. Those dollars earned get you to National and World hunts. Those dollars earned get you to SS Hunts. The main thing is those dollars earned are listed and State standings are kept on who is doing what in each state.

You increase the benefits of a program and you can increase the cost to play. You also have to make an evaluation on how the money on these programs will be divided up. You can give a little to a lot of people which I think the Performance Program does. Or you can give more to fewer people. The more to fewer people brings out the competition in people which is what this is all about. That also means more entries which causes the snowball to grow.

Getting a $100 or $150 back on a worthless dog that got lucky a few times during the year does nothing but give people a false sense they have a coonhound and a reason to keep the mutt. You make them go against the best dogs in their state or the nation to win a bigger prize and you will see an overall increase in the performance of the hounds.

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Bruce with any program or buissness as it grows you will have to hire more staff to take care of it properly right now it is controllable if the PP was set up like you suggested to grow I think it should have its own staff to take care of nothing but that. When you get $$$ involved I think the small numbers under the hunt dirrector format could be a problem believe it or not there are a lot of clubs out there that do not want about 4 dogs to show up at their hunts ( their own ) you see a lot of the problems over $$$ that the $$$ kcs have and they at all their bigger hunts and they are fully staffed and they still try and pull the hanky panky. I think there are several like you, Jim, Joey,HW , and ukc staff should get together somewhere without interruption to plan somthing like this because it needs to be well thought out before anything is ever implemented. Jmo.

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How many dogs do you have to win against to get a full point I looked I can't find it.

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If 2 points was worth $500-$600 instead of $200-210 I've got a feeling more people would b interested in earning them..

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10 dogs to earn 1 pt...
Go back to when this program 1st. started , points were worth earning, today their not worth it.
We don't need no fee increases ....UKC needs to revamp the point value based on the average local hunt attendance.
Hunts don't draw 20+ dogs anymore....dahhhh!
The program out of step with reality!

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Suggestions to make a $100 point a $300 with very minor increases. Helping hunters who are entering the hunts and increasing interest for some who aren't. Mostly bringing attendance up and helping the local clubs out.
1.$10-20 increase to performance register one.
2.$10-20 increase to nominate a litter.
3.$20-30 fee to nominate a dam before breeding.
4.$25-50 increase in Performance sire fee.
5. Don't waste paper, envelopes, postage or man hours mailing checks under $50
6. Add a $1 fee per dog entered at a hunt to be placed directly in the performance fund.
Any 3 of these suggestions will more than double the fund, all will more than triple it.
This program has become stagnant and losing interest rapidly.

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After you fix the PRP program, maybe you could fix the time stamps on these posts. I'm sitting here at 2:45 PM, 7-26-2017 and your post above shows your post time at 7:16 PM 7-26-2017. Unless this is StarTrek, I don't see how that is possible.

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10 dogs to earn 1 pt...
Go back to when this program 1st. started , points were worth earning, today their not worth it.
We don't need no fee increases ....UKC needs to revamp the point value based on the average local hunt attendance.
Hunts don't draw 20+ dogs anymore....dahhhh!
The program out of step with reality!

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JiM, I think the time stamps are set from each individuals Control Panel (CP). Then under edit options you can select your time zone. But yours is right so, I don't need to tell you. LOL

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The very first year, there was no cap on the maximum number of points you could win at a single event. Duke Prioux won the reg hunt at AO that year and collected a huge number of points from that hunt. That, coupled with the high point values those first years, gave him a check for something like 20 grand. Next year, they had the cap put on. Anyone remember that?

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After you fix the PRP program, maybe you could fix the time stamps on these posts. I'm sitting here at 2:45 PM, 7-26-2017 and your post above shows your post time at 7:16 PM 7-26-2017. Unless this is StarTrek, I don't see how that is possible.

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Ok. Anyone know where I go to fix it?

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The very first year, there was no cap on the maximum number of points you could win at a single event. Duke Prioux won the reg hunt at AO that year and collected a huge number of points from that hunt. That, coupled with the high point values those first years, gave him a check for something like 20 grand. Next year, they had the cap put on. Anyone remember that?

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I remember it. I drew out with him that night. I couldn't understand why he was hunting a dog at AO but found out why later.

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