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The rules should be fair enough so that any style of dog that is consistant and competive can win on a good night ... it doesn't matter what style .. me-too , loaner , in-between , tree grabber .... they all exist because enough folks like them so they should all have a chance.

Trying to manipulate the rules so that the same action gets different points depending on the style of dog ... doesn't help the sport or make judging casts and getting alone better.

There need not be such a huge gap in points .. being consistant on several drops will win .. if it's just by a little , then it was a good cast .. it doesn't need to be a blowout and have guys upset with the system .... a cast win by blowout doesn't get an asterick by it .. barely winning is still winning , so again .. why the need to gap any scoring or cut out a certain style of dog.

If the rules are fair to all , and enforced ... you need fewer of them and they won't change so much ... and folks can have less friction .

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Yes , I will take 100 and let the other dogs take 75 all night and be happy .. and if they are happy feeding it .. then everyone is happy .

It's like " that" guy at work that is always curious what others make and even though it don't effect his paycheck ... he can't stand it when someone else gets a raise or makes as much .. he's always gotta be upset and stirring up trouble.

As long as your dog is getting on the card where he belongs ... you have nothing to complain about and there's no need to change anything.

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It doesnt matter a lick how they do it, you may not like a tight mouth dog, and i may not like a packin trail dog, at the end of the night the dog that locates and gets treed under the most coon in the least amount of time should win the cast. Last i looked theres no place on a scorecard for style points. The only thing i want mine competing against out there is the coon, and a tree countdown helps keep the coontreer in the cast on top.

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1 The count down is a great idea
2 Why are people worried about scratching a dog that stands around? Afraid he will tree a coon that your dog ran under looking for a hot track. They paid their entry fee give the dog 2 hours to see how many coons it trees. With the count down this dog isn't going to get much by the time it covers anyway.
3 Spectators shining the tree shoud never be allowed.
4 The babbling dogs need to be scratched not minused.

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I think the countdown benefits coondogs. a coondog starts a track and finishes it, not goes and runs everything that walks till something gets treed and blows to em on a string and covers.

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why cant spectators shine the trees? The way I see it I got 2 minutes in my own to find the coon after that the more the merrier, hopefully that spectators finds the coon whether it be mine or someone elses

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They are not allowed to vote so they shouldn't be allowed to interfere(Help or hinder) with a cast by shining the tree.
The competition is between up to 4 dogs and their handlers.

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maybe in some instances you are correct. Like I stated maybe Im just to competitive, but I don't want a dog covering from the next county and getting awarded for quitting their junk and covering my coon. good dog bad dog good handler or bad handler that's the way it is.

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I don't get beat by covering dogs, I just have integrity and expect others to do the same. Taking advantage of another success in wrong lol

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I judge my dog and myself harder than most. Describe pressure? I describe pressure as being treed alone while 3 are blowing the top outta one 100 yards from him or one getting treed and him taking it on to the coon or finishing his own track. and It is ALOT easier to make one pack than it is to make one independent get treed and hold pressure.

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count down on strike. I was just thinking I don't want someone else dog to come in there n take my dogs hard earned strike points then blow passed him recieveing 1st tree.lol! yea it sound funny and so does a count down on a tree.

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Not even remotely close to the same thing. All this lets let dogs get un-earned points is why UKC is getting smaller an PKC is getting bigger. Strike is what it is it's whoever gets their head open first. Track for show tree for dough! Not track for show and cover someone else for dough.

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If u are against the countdown u are one of a few things:

Packing a me to dog
Never had an independent dog
don't hunt the hunts much
Or don't win much

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by patches9452
that is bull just because someone does not need a countdown to win with does not mean they are packing a me too dog it could mean they are confident enough in what they have to not have to worry about a me too dog... I hunt a good many hunts and win my share and most every one of them I will be split as much as treed with someone else... I think its a shame that people with first tree dogs cry because they get beat by me tooing second tree dogs.... grow up and get a coon dog... around here pkc has lots of hunts but at most you have 2 or 3 dogs smaller than the ukc ones [/


Hahahahaha winner is a winner in any hunt. But the fact that I'm greedy and wanna keep as many as my point as possible doesn't mean I get beat by me to dogs. Lol

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3 words ! two hour maniac

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One word for ya....domination....when I win I like to win by ALOT not by a little lol

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If u are against the countdown u are one of a few things:

Packing a me to dog
Never had an independent dog
don't hunt the hunts much
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I like 1-4

I believe that dogs should be minused regardless of how the tree is scored if they come in after the 5, regardless of if the judge is there or not. I look at it the same as a dog that comes into the cast after being struck. After the 5 that dog did no work to get treed there, it quit it's track and covered.
I can't see how people in favor of declining tree points would disagree with it.

I like the 15 minute rule being changed, but then you'll have the whiners whose dogs will go hunting after 11-12 minutes, and they'll cry that they don't even have 5 to stay gone before scratched.

The aggressive dog thing is a bit black and white. It will get abused. I like the idea of proof, but if it is passed I will inform every handler at the beginning of each hunt to stay completely away from my dog.

Rule 6, hopefully will stop some crying. Finally a guideline for what is silent.

Rule 9. I'm a bit on both sides here. Mostly because of the area I'm in. I can see a lot more miserable dogs since people won't have to burn hunt time walking a mile every drop.

I like rule 10

I like the spectator rule. I can't see taking a kid, and them having any fun if they can't shine, also. If you're worried about burning it down, use your 2.

I don't necessarily like rule 11. I can see some judges bullying people out of handling their dogs just to see how they handle a squaller. (Enter can of worms here) Yes I realize no dog should ever pull, but no dog is perfect. For dogs that get coon shot to them, that could get a bit ridiculous.

I like rule 12. In essence the dog that treed the most coon wins.

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if I like a dog 1 way u better like it my way lol! yea right

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Originally posted by Rocketman55
"Dead Silent dogs get punished enough", give me a break!! That's like saying its ok to pull up a seat at the bar, and then when the guy on the next stool turns his head to look at a lil scenery, its ok to just blast him in the mouth, knocking him cold stiff, and calling that a fair fight and declare you the winner.

Not what I call giving coon or man a fair chance!! its deceitful, and underhanded, and should not be tolerated, let alone rewarded.

Silent is a scratchable offense because it is cheating the coon out of the opportunity to escape.

Leave this rule alone and enforce it!! JMO!!

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all of you that don't want this countdown need to get over the fact that you want be piggy backing around till the end of the hunt hoping the leader makes a handling error

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i agree with most of the rule changes except for the tree rule. after the first minute is closed, all dogs that are treed after the first minute should ONLY recieve 25 points. one minute still gives those hitchhikers and me-too'ers time to get there !!! when 30 seconds expire, you're way too late, take your 50 !!! and after 60 seconds take your 25 !!! if a dog backs a dog after 30 seconds, he/she shouldn't be there in the first place !!!

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scratching any dog that covers. That would eliminate the Me Tooers. After all we are wanting the dog that can get treed first. Funny how no one admits of getting beat by a Me Too dog, but they sure want to punish them. If I am getting beat by a Me Too dog, I am seriously looking at both ends of the lead. The system in place now lets the best dog win that night.

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i like all the rules, the fact is if your toting a Coondog you stand a good chance of winning and a countdown or any of the other proposal shouldnt be a problem. if i am consistantly getting beat by me tooing slick treeing babbling idiots then good on them and i apperantly need to look at the end of my lead strap no excuses.

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I have no problem admitting that I get beat by me to/ cover dogs pretty regularly and I dang sure don't feel the problem is on the end of my leash. The worst is when you have two pretty nice dogs that truthfully should be the only ones in the cast competeing against each other, they both are doing good work and each treeing coon alone while a babbling cover dog is stealing strike points and getting a big piece of two differant dogs trees. Two dogs each tree a coon alone and a cover dog carrying 100 strike gets a peice of two trees that they didn't do any of the work for and beats both of the true coondogs. OUCH! Or other times I draw dogs that can tree a coon alone but they also get a piece of every single tree any other dog makes all night long. That type of dog wins and wins big! Those are the kind of dogs that are consistent cast winning machines. Most of the time that type of dog would be easy to beat if people would actually minus the slick trees instead of circle them. Those losses hurt the most when you get beat by a dog that made four or five trees, two of them where slircle trees ( slick but we are gonna circle them) and one they actually treed and two they broke their necks to get to your dogs tree at 4:30 from a half mile away and covered your dog who didn't make a single mistake all night but only treed two coon. The system we have now encourages breeding and hunting those types of dogs, if that is what you are into fine, but me, I am gonna keep right on hunting and breeding for independant, accurate dogs. I sure would like the countdown because, in my opinion the better COONDOG, not the dog that looks up the most is gonna win a higher percentage of the time. Cover dogs keep winning and getting granded out, so naturally they keep getting bred, producing more dogs just the same. If the countdown where to pass I would bet that in just five years the quality of dogs at the hunts would go up and the number of slircle trees I have to waste ten minutes of my life looking up would go way down. JMO

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