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So does anyone know if Russ bought the whole dog or still just half???

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--------------------------------nitech vaughns red banjo
------------------ch grnitech vaughns red banjo III
---------------------------------meltons redmans meg
---grnitech ratliff's rockin red jon henry
--------------------------------nitech yellow river red doc
------------------nitech nacalus mandolin
--------------------------------grnitech sawblade fiddle

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This is the last living Banjo X Meg that im aware of.

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.....Nitech little red fireball III
Redman
........................................Moores lookout Baron
.............................OK Charlie
.....................................Timber Talking Sister
.....Meltons red bell
..................................Meltons red Fireball
...........................Meltons red Pam
..................................Meltons red rose
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...............................Meltons red fireball
......Fireball II
..............................Jim's peckerwood Sadie

....Meltons tree Talking Queen
........................................BTK
......Millers Little girl

..................................Timber lady ann

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I heard from Joe he was a real dog. If you guys notice Charlie isn't a "Fireball" dog but he was good so he owned him. He made coondog's by breeding the best he had to the best he could find and line bred on what suited him. It seems to work since they are still around and are still suiting folks. I enjoy mine ,I hope my info doesn't slow down Jon's thread. Jon deserves to be recognized as a top coondog regardless of his breeding. I hope my info helped.

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It was good talking with you the other day & I appreciate all the info keep in mind what we talked about & I'll get back with ya in a few weeks..

You post what ya like It won't slow this thread down.. Andrew is a completion coonhunter you won't see him post much on these boards about his dog but you will see him winning.

These dogs are generations of winners from all over the country from a tight line.. Not winners from 1 mans backyard that a few have jumped on the bandwagon with.

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I HUNTED A LOT WITH OKLAHOMA RED CHARLIE,WHEN HE WAS IN OKLAHOMA,A YOUNG MAN THAT LIVED AT WEWOKA OK.,STARTED HIM AND FINISHED HIM TO NITECH.,WE HUNTED TOGETHER A LOT,CHARLIE WAS A VERY FAST DOG ON TRACK,AND A FAST HARD TREEDOG,THE ONLY REASON THE YOUNG MAN SOLD HIM,WAS HE WAS GETTING A DIVORCE AND HAD TO.

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Just for the record..Mandolin has 3 wins to grand.. At 10 she can still get it done so I might try to finish her...My boys have grown up over the last ten years but now are gone off and I have time on my hands... We will see if she can get it done. Lucas

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Originally posted by Brian Ratliff
It was good talking with you the other day & I appreciate all the info keep in mind what we talked about & I'll get back with ya in a few weeks..

You post what ya like It won't slow this thread down.. Andrew is a completion coonhunter you won't see him post much on these boards about his dog but you will see him winning.

These dogs are generations of winners from all over the country from a tight line.. Not winners from 1 mans backyard that a few have jumped on the bandwagon with.

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It is raining here again today, so here you are....It looks to me like the bottom side is essentially all outcrosses with Fireball once in the 5th generation. The top side is Ol' Fireball 3 or 4 times in the 5th-6th gen through Fireball II and III and My Dog Fireball and Pam with a bunch of outcrosses thrown in.
..............................................................Melton's Red Fireball
..............................................Melton's My Dog Fireball
...............................................................Melton's Red Lady
.....................................Little Red Fireball III
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..............................................Melton's Red Penny
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.........................Banjo
...............................................Camp Creek Ace
.....................................Camp Creek Sue
.................................................................Sexton's Joe
................................................Morrel's Red Penny
..................................................................Flatford's Joy
............Banjo III
...............................................................Melton's My Dog Fireball
.................................................Little Red Fireball III
................................................................Melton's Red Penny
......................................Tenn Red Man
..............................................................................Moore's Baron
.................................................................OK Charlie
...............................................................................Timber Talkin Sis
..................................................Melton's Red Bell
.............................................................................MeltonsRdFireball
.................................................................Melton's Red Pam
..............................................................................Melton's Rose
.........................Redman's Meg
..................................................................Melton's Red Fireball
..................................................Red Fireball II
...................................................................Jim's Peckerwood Sadie
.......................................Melton's Tree Talkin Queen
....................................................................Outlaw Billy The Kid
...................................................Millers Little Girl
....................................................................Timber Lady Ann
Jon Henry
.....................................................................Melton's Red Fireball
....................................................Yellow River Red Rocky
......................................................................Bachelders Red Flame
........................................Yellow River Red
.......................................................................Big Valley Sam
.....................................................Sweet Magnolia Maggie
........................................................................Big Valley Wrinkles
.........................Yellow River Red Doc
........................................................................Dawns Timber Jack
......................................................Key's Outlaw Red Moon
........................................................................Outlaw Jessie
.........................................Yellow River Red Daisy
.......................................................................Red Oak Mike
......................................................Evan's Dry Valley Misty
........................................................................Dry Valley Mandy
.............Nacalu's Mandolin
........................................................................Adirondack Red Riley
......................................................MillCreeks Fire In Jim
.........................................................................Adirondack Singer
.........................................Red Sage
..........................................................................Tree Rockin Joe
.......................................................Gorhams TwinOak LongTallSally
..........................................................................Laues Red Tammy
..........................Sawblade Fiddle
..........................................................................TimberChopperMax
......................................................MoreheadsTimber Chopper Jake
..........................................................................TimberChopperKay
..........................................Hyde's Runnin Red Feather
...........................................................................Ramblin Red Radar
......................................................Moreheads Southern Belle
...........................................................................Tao River Ginger

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Meltons Red Penny was out of Sextons Red Bo and Flatfords Tenn. Joy.
Bo was out of Swanns Redman and Chambers Red Lady. Lady was a grand daughter of Bruces Bugger Bill.

Joy was out of Smokey Mountain Dooley and Sands' Red Queen.

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Richard!


Mr Patterson is correct on Penny as well

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Dont know much about this line couple questions!!!!!!!

It looks like Meltons Red Fireball and Meltons Fireball is two different dogs is this correct ???

Would Banjo 111 be considered heavy line bred to Fireball?

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Meltons Red Fireball is the same dog as where Richard left out the "red" in there. As to whether or not B3 is "Heavy" fireball bred or not is up to the person looking at the pedigree. My dog Fireball is another Direct son of the old dog, the thing I've found with the line is the consistent drive and desire to get treed. There have been numerous debates on this forum about what is considered "linebred" "inbred". Everyone has an opinion all I know is that the crosses made back in the day produced a lot of nice hounds and when bred "in line" the numerous good crosses combined still produce nice coon dogs that still carry the original traits that were brought out thru breeding and "selection". Just my 2 cents on it. Richard may have thrown a Curve ball by leaving out "red" there but it's the same

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I thought that some of those crosses looked familiar so i checked. Melton's Red Bell was also Hattie's mom and her sire was My Dog who Joe called Fireball II. Of course the one registered as Fireball II was from the same cross as GrNtCh Rooster, who is in Ghost and Jackie's PED. Jackie, Grasshopper, Banjo, Tex and many others had some Fireball III also. Of course stuff out of Rocky and Fiddle sure seems to have worked aweful well too. A pile of titled hounds and consistent winners in any terrain in that one also.

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Didn't Mike have My Dog at his place at some point?

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It looks like Meltons Red Fireball and Meltons Fireball is two different dogs is this correct ???
Would Banjo 111 be considered heavy line bred to Fireball?

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Some people just make their dog's names too long for typing.

As for B III, it depends on what you call "heavy". However I think that everyone would agree that B III is heavy Melton bred.
Maybe "close" linebred would be a better term. In my opinion B III is linebred but not "close" linebred as there were so many outcrosses made.

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So, B III's granddad on the bottom, Tenn Red Man, was a littermate to Gr Nt Ch Fireball's Little Hattie? Hattie was a big comp winner back in her day. And his sire was Gr Nt Banjo who was also a big comp winner. Did Banjo or Meg have any titled littermates?

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megs litter mate brother is fireballs timber choppin dan.

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Yes if my memory isn't off Dan won a World hunt in another registry.

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Very good info Guys I'm enjoying reading this. Let's keep the talks coming.

I tried to tell everyone the caliber of dog Jon was & no one wanted to listen to a poorboy from Ga, he had his faults but he was smart enough to learn from them. I have never seen another dog that wanted to please you as much as him or 1 with more drive & desire to tree coon.

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Very good info Guys I'm enjoying reading this. Let's keep the talks coming.
I have never seen another dog that wanted to please you as much as him or 1 with more drive & desire to tree coon.

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Very good info Guys I'm enjoying reading this. Let's keep the talks coming.

I tried to tell everyone the caliber of dog Jon was & no one wanted to listen to a poorboy from Ga, he had his faults but he was smart enough to learn from them. I have never seen another dog that wanted to please you as much as him or 1 with more drive & desire to tree coon.

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I WAS LISTENING,If you remember I contacted you long ago when I seen him standing at the base of that big cypress tree you had my attention long ago bud.

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Handler of:
NtCh GrCh "PR" Dan Langston (Has 2 wins towards GrNtCh in the hunts) ( 10yr old owner asked for me to bring him back to his home) (wouldn't sell) (Ch D8 Dozer (bear hound from all coondog stock, out of my breeding) x NtCh Music/ Kitty) (33% Fireball thru heavy line breeding the highest GrNtCh Fireball blooded hound alive, who is hunt titled )

Home of:
'PR' Atomic Fireball's Harry Lady (GrNtCh. Barnyard Horse Harry x GrCh Daisy (was the highest Fireball blooded female alive)

'PR' Atomic Fireball's Toes ('PR' Atomic Fireball's Fast Talker (nephew to Bookem Danno) x 'PR' Atomic Fireball's Harry Lady

'PR' Atomic Fireball's Little Dixie (NtCh GrCh. 'PR' Dan Langston x 'PR'Harry Lady)

'PR' Atomic Fireball's Two Toes (NtCh GrCh Dan Langston x Atomic Fireball's Toes
Didn't have the deep hunt style I like but is a solid coonhound. Been treeing her own since her second night in the woods at 8 months old.

Former home of:
(Qualified for the 2011 World Hunt) NtCh. 'PR'Swann's Lonesome Red Music/ Kitty RIP (NtCh.Twister's Musical Red Huey x NtCh. Sawblade Red Reckon) RIP

GrNtCh Fireball's Jackpot Jackie, highest placing Redbone female ever, in the UKC World Hunt . RIP

GrCh. 'PR' Atomic Fireball's Little Daisy RIP (Was the highest GrNtCh Fireball blooded female in the world at the time) (Qualified for the 2010 World Show).

'PR' Atomic Fireball's Red River (Daisy x Brown's Oklahoma Twister) RIP (heatstroke)

Ch. D-8 Dozer (Was the Highest blooded GrNtCh Fireball blooded male in the world until I had the GrNtCh Twister pups from here) Was sent to be bear hunted because of his size and me being disabled. RIP

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