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I just bought it 2 weeks ago & I need to update it all ready? Looks to me like it should of been updated when I bought it from Bruce Conkey. but if not how do I up date it?

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Now, lets talk about these compatibility issues people are griping about.
I guarantee you I can take my DC30 and Astro 220 and find my dog just as quick as anyone with ANY combination of GPS tracking system available, Alpha, 320 and DC50, I don't care which you use. So why all the whining?
I am thankful Garmin is ever improving their product and will continue to use the first generation Astro until it quits working.
Many is the time I went to the auto parts store to find a a part for my vehicle and needed to supply the VIN. Why, because automakers are continually improving and just because I go get a master cylinder for my 98 F150, that does not mean every master cylinder available for a 98 F150 will work on my particular truck.
Like Bruce said, electronics are evolving quicker and quicker in every facet of the market.
If you have an older version that is not compatible and it still serves your purpose, just use it until it dont. Then when it comes time to upgrade, look at all the other improvements you will be getting in on just because you did not toss your old system as soon as the newer one came out.
I would hate to think how out of date this computer is I am using but it still serves my purpose to a "T"!

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I really think if Garmin was going to bring something out it should have been a DC 50 with no bulit in shocker. I know Garmin reads over here how many DC 50s would you guys buy?

I would buy 2 DC 50s today if they where out Tyler Vaden

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I really think if Garmin was going to bring something out it should have been a DC 50 with no bulit in shocker. I know Garmin reads over here how many DC 50s would you guys buy?

I would buy 2 DC 50s today if they where out Tyler Vaden

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Jdgher at present there are several aftermarket collars for the DC 30 that are the same style as the DC 50 has. Actually why do you think Garmin went to that style collar, they saw what people wanted.

As far as charging it depends on what charging ports your DC 30 has. If they are rectangle you should have no problem charging. If they are the small circle contacts there are a few things you can do. With the collar in your hand and the receiver towards the ground the main problem is the round contact on the right side. The plastic housing is higher than the metal contact point. Not much but 1/1000 of an inch is all you need to have problems. Take a good knife blade and gently scrape some of the plastic away to allow contact.

If you want to go another route then take your charger and on the contact points just put one spot of solder on the curved part of the contact. You probably have noticed they have one charger that is smooth and one they actually put a small contact point on. You do those two things and you will have no problem charging a dc 30.

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Hounded on here makes a modification to the DC 40 that puts the gps antenna on top like the DC 30. Could be what your looking for.
If you are dead set on staying with the DC 30 I would watch craigs list and eBay and pick up some broke down 30's cheap and send them to Garmin for replacements.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bruce M. Conkey
[B]Hounded on here makes a modification to the DC 40 that puts the gps antenna on top like the DC 30. Could be what your looking for.

I have one of Hounded's modified DC-40's. It's better then the DC-30's or the DC-40's my hunting partners use. I don't lose signal like they do. If I do lose signal it usually picks up quickly. My modified 40 works better in water also, which I really need where we hunt.

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Thanks guys, I'm hoping that I won't have to do many more of those modified dc40's now with the DC50 option availble. The DC50's smoke a DC40 in almost every way.

A question was asked comparing the TT10's with the DC50's they are very similar. I think the DC50 beats it in the GPS signal, mostly because it has twice as many satellites to track as the TT10 does right now. (Glonass0

I expect if The Glonass satelites work as well as they have shown so far with the limited time I've seen with the DC50 that newer products from Garmin Ie if/when the update the TT10's and Maybe even Newer handhelds will probably have that option but I think it will probably be at least a year or two before we see anything like that.

I was and still am extremely happy with the TT10's and only loose GPS signal seldom and less than I did with the DC30 collars I was hunting with last year.

The Glonass and the Bark indications features are not enough for me to switch back from the Alpha to the DC50's. I still prefer the ALPHA system over the DC50's. for several reasons, SHocking is only one of those, Little interference messages, and the ability to update settings on the collars on the fly are extremely useful when you tforget and turn a dog loose with a 2 minute update!

Range testing.. I'm always conservative about range I would just assume not even try to put a Distance on the collars, My general rule is you should see Plus or minus a Mile with the Stock antenna's.

I think It is safe to say they are equal (tt10, DC50), There might be a slight advantage with the Long antenna on the DC50, but those antenna's can be put onto a TT10 collar just the same. So I would call them Equal.

I tried to write up as much as I could about them, And I always had TT10 collars on every dog that wore a DC50.

Here is a full write up review that we did.
http://www.dusupply.com/info/buddys...product-review/

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The more upgrades I make the more money I spend, but if that is what it takes to stay on top of the game well I guess that's the way it goes.

The first unit I bought I got the 220 and 5 DC 30's, then the 320 comes out and I sold the 220, and all but 2 of my 30's because at that time the 30's were going for all most as much as the brand new 40's,

I read some of the reviews and such and still read them, and I know there are die hard 30 users out there, but I put the 2 DC 30's next to the new DC 40's and I seen little difference if any, maybe updated a little faster but not much that I could tell and a little bit more range, again not much in the mts I hunt. I sold the other 30's that I had and ended up with 4 DC 40's. What I noticed the most was the difference between the 220 and the 320, that was the biggie for me.

So after reading these posts here I sit entertaining the idea of selling a perfect 4 dog unit that has seen little use and upgrading to the Alpha, the only reason for this is the shocking option, and less interference, one less collar to keep up with, plus by the time I buy 2 more shocking units for 140 a piece and 2 DC 50's well I am paying more for 2 collars than I could one Alpha. Who takes in trades on Garmin units toward other Garmin units.

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kardinal kennels try valley creek hunting I buy used stuff from there e bay store they must take trades on about anything coonhunting they sure sell lots of used stuff and it is what they say it is or better ! there on line google valley creek hunting

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I see no need for a collar that shuts itself down to transmitting every 5 minutes what are you going to do if dog really becomes lost or worse yet stolen we run yotes for miles and miles trying to get in front of the yote in these mountains you may have to drive 5 miles out of your way to get there and by that time they may have turned I'm not setting for 5 minutes waiting to see if collar is within range then moving how far ? to wait again for 5 minutes to see if your within range do you see my point ! the faster its transmitting the sooner it will communicate with the handheld ! a roof antenna is the way to go when it comes to finding a lost dog or stolen dog not a collar that only transmits every 5 minutes !

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I see no need for a collar that shuts itself down to transmitting every 5 minutes what are you going to do if dog really becomes lost or worse yet stolen we run yotes for miles and miles trying to get in front of the yote in these mountains you may have to drive 5 miles out of your way to get there and by that time they may have turned I'm not setting for 5 minutes waiting to see if collar is within range then moving how far ? to wait again for 5 minutes to see if your within range do you see my point ! the faster its transmitting the sooner it will communicate with the handheld ! a roof antenna is the way to go when it comes to finding a lost dog or stolen dog not a collar that only transmits every 5 minutes !

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I see no need for a collar that shuts itself down to transmitting every 5 minutes what are you going to do if dog really becomes lost or worse yet stolen we run yotes for miles and miles trying to get in front of the yote in these mountains you may have to drive 5 miles out of your way to get there and by that time they may have turned I'm not setting for 5 minutes waiting to see if collar is within range then moving how far ? to wait again for 5 minutes to see if your within range do you see my point ! the faster its transmitting the sooner it will communicate with the handheld ! a roof antenna is the way to go when it comes to finding a lost dog or stolen dog not a collar that only transmits every 5 minutes !

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I have read so much maybe I am confused.
Isn't rescue mode a 2 minute update?

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I have read so much maybe I am confused.
Isn't rescue mode a 2 minute update?

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Not sure anyone is having an argument. I am just sharing information and trying to learn. If it came across wrong I apologize.

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This may have been brought up already, I haven't read this thread completely, but I'm very surprised Garmin has not yet come out with a DC50 type collar for the Alpha. There is surely a significant number of potential Alpha buyers out there who have and will continue to hold off on buying one because they can't use them in UKC hunts. A collar with no shocker and no tone function would put the Alpha under the same rule as the Astro immediately without any necessary rule change. Seems like a no brainer to me.

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Not sure anyone is having an argument. I am just sharing information and trying to learn. If it came across wrong I apologize.

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groworg1 said 5 minutes and I did not correct him. Sorry for adding to the confusion but I had forgot what the update was in rescue mode.

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yup I screwed that one up !

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yup I screwed that one up !

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One thing also new for the running dog people and people to old to run through the woods is Real Time updates on a large screen laptop. Stay at the truck and see all the action.

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bruce how do you do this ?

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I haven't done it yet, so I can't tell you how but here is Garmins promotion of it from their website.

Turn Your Computer Into a Base Station for Tracking Dogs
The all-new BaseStation lets you turn your laptop (loaded with BaseCamp) into a field control center for tracking multiple dogs (additional DC 50 collar units required). View real-time GPS/GLONASS information on the larger display of your computer, making it ideal for canine search and rescue teams. And because it’s Garmin GPS-based, safer, more effective tracking is possible, even where Internet and cell phone service isn’t.

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I have a question for anyone that has one. The ads for the 50 say you can put a shocker on the same collar with the tracker. Does the whole tracker set up just slide off the collar, antenna and all? Thanks.

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