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vernoncoonhunte,
here is a link where I ordered mine
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/produ...=2001&Nty=1
This was recommended by a houndsman friend of mine who has been hunting and raising pups on his own, and never lost one due to sickness. He does have friends that have lost some to parvo, but after they started using the high titer vangaurd plus shots he hasn't lost very many. The link here is for 7 ways, I used 5 ways, because most places I read you only needed 7 ways for the last one a 3 months old. If folks want to do more than that, great but don't say you can't have nice healthy pups without spending a fortune on shots and wormers, you have to give them shots and worm them, but it don't have to cost you an arm and a leg to do it. As far as the feed is concerned, Most get rid of their pups at 8 weeks, of which the first 5 or 6 are nursing, this same houndsman friend says he keeps his on the female for 8 weeks; because that's where the pups get their immunity from during that time. So for 8 week old pups, your only feeding them feed for 2 or 3 weeks. Of course the mother will eat more during this time too, so maybe I was off a bit on food, so add another 40 bucks onto my estimate. If people want to go high dollar to raise pups, that is fine and the would be worth more, but remember you are also competing against the folks who "do it on the cheap". I can buy Snap On tools and pay big bucks for them, and they are guarenteed for a life time. Or I can buy discount tools from a cheap store, and have to pay to replaces them. There is a market for both. One is not more right than another. The same with pups, there is market for both the $1000.00 ones and the $100.00 ones. The market for $100.00 pups is just a lot bigger. As far as taking pups from my friend, I'd take one and he wouldn't take the money even if I did try to give it to him. he prefers it that way; because his conscience doesn't bother him if a guy has to cull a dog that he took money for.

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$400 for a puppy. Must be some good walker blood!! lol

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in my openion $300 is still to much for a pup even if it is out of top dogs,not many people around here can afford to give that much for a chance on a pup will make a top dog not many pups make it anyway,too many cull pups out of good dogs.
$200 is enough of a gamble on a pup.jmo

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people who fuss about the price of a pup at whatever it is should buy grown dogs or raise their own.... I raise lots of pups and keep most of the whole litter until running and treeing and then weed them out... it takes lots of time and money.... I understand I do it the hard and expensive way but even to sale and make a profit at weaning age 300 hundred bucks isn't much

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I've paid a lot of money over the years for pups that were priced more than what many would pay. MANY were out of highly advertised GrNiteCh, PKC Gold Chs and World Chs.

I ended up with just as many worthless dogs that I paid $400-$500+ for as pups as those that were bought for $200 as pups.

My conclusion is with pups you take a big gamble. Paying high prices for pups does not guarantee anything and does not always equal quality.

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people who fuss about the price of a pup at whatever it is should buy grown dogs or raise their own.... I raise lots of pups and keep most of the whole litter until running and treeing and then weed them out... it takes lots of time and money.... I understand I do it the hard and expensive way but even to sale and make a profit at weaning age 300 hundred bucks isn't much

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My opinion is , price the pups for what you want for them. If you price them high some will say that is to high and if the price them low some will say that's to low. What matters is the opinion of the one that hands you the price you are asking and your satisfaction with the price they gave.

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I keep seeing and hearing the word PROFIT used in these posts. If people are breeding coonhounds to make a PROFIT then they are in it for the wrong reason. Start a KENNEL BUSINESS and claim tax exemptions at the end of the year. Don't expect the average Joe to finance your breedings so you can make a profit.

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well i buy from the guys who breeds if they are junk ,,I cant really complain because i am not willing to raise my own line ,,but i will only put in so much on a pup jmo

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I keep seeing and hearing the word PROFIT used in these posts. If people are breeding coonhounds to make a PROFIT then they are in it for the wrong reason. Start a KENNEL BUSINESS and claim tax exemptions at the end of the year. Don't expect the average Joe to finance your breedings so you can make a profit.

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I keep seeing and hearing the word PROFIT used in these posts. If people are breeding coonhounds to make a PROFIT then they are in it for the wrong reason. Start a KENNEL BUSINESS and claim tax exemptions at the end of the year. Don't expect the average Joe to finance your breedings so you can make a profit.

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I have paid over a $1000 for a pup. I've never paid under $500 for one. Every one I got had all the shot recorders and vet records. Very clean and well taken care of. A $1000 pup doesn't sit in the kennel at my house. Id rather pay big money for a pup and train it the way I want than drive to see your dog that is " competition ready" or " well started" or "all coondog". I'll pay the price for what I want. I have the money and this is my hobby.

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i would never buy a pup....started dog that running & treeing with lots of volume ...so i can hear it

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And many litters from a top female and all my 7 hounds are out of her and 1 out of her daughter I can say if you expect to get rich breeding hounds your nuts!I ask $250 for my pups gives me room to tinker A little but I price by what the litter cost me my time is free I facter in stud fee which now I don't need to usually just a pup and gas to get her there,vitiamns,better feed for mommy, shots,wormer,feed,reg. Of pups, I break even most times at $200 apup so give them away is crazy now some people I do if they have got a pup off me before and they did a good job training it no problem worth more to me to get in peoples hands that will hunt it! Again u are not going to get rich u are lucky to break even I do it as a hobby and fun gives my 3 children something to do with there time than sit in house and give my wife something to complain about haha! It what u are willing to sell and what people are willing to give!

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You may just be paying for the name but if you want to be seen in a Cadillac it's gona cost ya. If you pay the price then you should be the one who decides if its worth it or not. There are plenty of less expensive cars out there if that's what you want to drive. We need to stop trying to be people pleasers. If you want to own a dog off of the top dogs then I believe they have a right to charge what they want. No one is forcing you to by them. What is making people angry is they don't see the value in the pup or they really want one but can't afford one. If they are not better then you should be just as happy with a less expensive dog.

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This may have already been said but I'd sale the puppies for what the stud fee is. Be sure to ask for a deposit, I've learned the hard way.

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well we all have an opinion. mine is if a dog bred to a certain dog produces above avg dogs. just say for instance. the sire and dam of the witch doctor-and his two sisters. now if i owned the dam and i bred her back to the same sire i dont think i would sell one under a 1000. probally wouldn't sell one at all. would get them started and then sell them.one of them sold for well over 10,ooo. if the cross is just a cross sure 200-300 but if u have a female that throws winners anyone would be a fool to sell it for that. i'll pay 1000 for a pup if its from a proven cross. wont blink an eye doing it either. while i'm winning the cast and your sucking hind tit. you get what you pay for. i'll take the proven crosses. you can do the expermenting. see you in the winners circle or......will i

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Breeding dogs and producing pups that end up making good coondogs is a huge gamble. Theres never been an 8 week old pup worth $1,000. Especially when you can buy a nice well started young dog for the same money or less. Theres a bunch of so called well started dogs throughout this website priced anywhere between $200 and $800. If a man gives $1,000 for a pup, by the time that pup is ready to go to a hunt, or when its owner realizes the pup has made a cull, which should be close to the same time frame, you'll have $2,000-$2,500 in that pup easy. I gave $800 for a 2 year old BnT male a few years ago, hunted him a couple weeks to learn him and ended up 5th in the PKC breed race, final 4 at the Breeders Showcase, final 4 at a Pro-Am and ended up with about $2,000 in PKC money that year. Also had a couple tickets with him too but he got killed before those hunts came around. What was that dog worth? And as far as a breeder giving guarantees on pups, I'd never do that because you dont know how the pup will be raised, treated, cared for or hunted or if it gets hunted. I saw where someone posted that if they gave $500 for a pup and it didnt turn out, they thought the owner should give back $200?!? Not unless some prior agreement was made. All your guaranteed when you buy a pup is the pup is healthy, it is indeed the breed it suppose to be and the parentage is correct.

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Whatever the seller and the buyer agree on for a price, I believe is fair..

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Why are coon hunters so cheap?You guys act like 300 bucks is highway robbery.LOL

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Jckson you got it half rite when there buying they think 300$ is a fortune but when most are selling they want top dollar!!!!I only make crosses that I would hunt myself and plan to do so without that said I have not had a cull leave here out of any of my crosses and to date I have never made any money on pups especially for the time I put in them!!! The price of an emergency c sec in my area is 1500 to 2000 them you got feed,shots worming ,food and the list goes on!! People complaining are computers coon hunters and most have never raised any thereself are they wouldn't even be complaining!!! Take a female like clone Willie sells them for 1000$ a piece and she will break every record there is for producing top pups out of any stud and if he was asking 5000 a piece wouldn't be to much if you consider what you get your time buying these 300$ culls off people that are just trying to make money!! Gasmoney etc... And you have junk still!! Most don't have the patience or knowledge to raise a pup and stater it anyway !!!!most
Y the patience but you pay the price for a pup out of proven female such as clone. All you have to do is cut them lose in woods where's there are coon and they will start there selves!!!! If you don't be love come hunt with a pup I have out of her !!! And I will take everyone I can get for 1000$ off of her!! Do your homework in the woods not on the computer!!

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I agree.The way i look at it.If its the bloodline you want,both parents are proven coondogs,and the style of coondog you like then 300 is dirt cheap.Everybody says well its a gamble and it might not turn out.Thats part of hunting.If it does turn out it can be worth 10x that price.

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I hunt and breed my own dogs,out of my brothers blood line and mine with occasional out cross, with that said 2 examples 1-male fido bred to 2 different females one my brothers one out of mine kept 2 pups out of each litter last ones that where left sold pups for 75$ each they are now 2 years old and all 4 will tree their own coon 2-started hunting at 5 months old 2 at 9 months all where able to tree coon by themself at 1 yr. baby 1st cousin to fido bred to 2 different males same thing kept 2 pups out of each litter at 15 months old culled and sent all 4 to dd lane. my dogs run loose till 6-9 months of age..now if some body that bought pups out of fido from me and said they did not hunt i would be skeptical that they even put them in the woods? now if they came to me and said they bought pups out of baby and they did not hunt ,i would say i know i culled all 4 of mine out of her as well. With that said fido and baby are both coon dogs same bloodline 1 imho is a reproducer, 1 is not. my point is 100-200 is more than enough for a pup. the problem in the hound world imho is there are more pups than quality trainers out there.

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Wow,....Evidently many that have posted here have no idea what is involved ...AFTER THE MATING.....Joe Zinn sold his litter and I am almost certain he did not make a dime profit, and there was no stud fee involved....A BREEDER MUST ACCOUNT FOR HIS ....TIME.....After a pups eyes open the hard works starts.If a man ask 1000 for a pup and I want to pay it I think that is between those two folks.A cheaper pup may turn out better,however some folks ...have a big ego and they will turn up there nose at 100 dollar pups but then again ...so many coonhunters will poormouth and do there best to get something for nothing.I have raised many litters and will say I have never even broke even.I will never again offer a free stud fee or a pup for less than 200.00.I think because you offer ..free or a cheaper pup price many that don't know you will automatically figure your stock of dogs ant worth a crap .Who you are ...will make a difference also.....Timothy Ball ,s adds were professionally done....SOME BELIEVE IT ALL AND SOME BELIEVE NONE OF IT....A hunter woud be a year ahead to buy a started dog for 1500.00 3000.00 and get the style he wants.It is a long way from a pup to a coondog...Alot of time spent..whos gonna pay for that

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