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I bet there is counterfeit HTX dogs too. In this setup up you have buddy with buddy out judging dogs.

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LMAO.......you are getting about the same responce as SAR gets. To many people know there dog wont pass any kind of test. I don't think it would be a good thing in the hunts any way. The nitech degree does what you are after and the open class dogs doesn't need the rule. They need to hunt with dogs that won't go and trash so they can get there dog in those conditions. Personaly I don't care what the other guys dog does. If I did a good job on my dog it will not be a follower. If it does I know I still have some work to do.
I never could figure out the no hunt rule. A dog standing around doesn't hurt a good dog and it is another $20.00 or so for the club.

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Agree 100% way too many titled dogs that can't even come close to Treeing a coon by thereselves. Sure there maybe some fake htx dogs come along but I'd say it would be way less than fake titled dogs now. Ukc titles mean absolutely nothing to the majority of coon hunters now days an that is sad. A title should represent honor an a higher standard for a dog it shouldn't have to be questioned if the dog is worth a crap or not. There should be some major an I mean major changes to the rules , an if u wanna fill up Ur local coon clubs well u should probally start with titled dogs that can actually tree a coon by themselves maybe not depend on the one good one in the cast to lead them to the right tree.

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Well, I guess it all comes down to choice, if your desire is to use only HTX titled males in your breeding program; then I strongly recommend seeking them out and backing your female up to them. Personally, I could care less about hunting with a stud dog; I want to see some of his offspring operate out of different females, and I don't care if they have a title or not. I have a fair idea of how a coon dog operates, and it won't take me long to decide if I'd want anything like that in my pens. Tom

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It would not kill the clubs or uks, in fact it would make them more money because every person that wants to comp hunt that has a dog that will tree a cooon by ITSEELF and not a bunch of slicks will be there paying to htx hunt and the regular night hunts and I believe you can hold as many hex hunts as you want

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I hope you're right? I got 6 htx hunts scheduled this spring. I get a lot of mixed responses about the htx hunts. Personally, I think their gonna be a good thing, but it wont be if the people don't utilize them. On making them mandatory for the hunts, I tend to believe attendance will go down at the night hunts for awhile, but in a couple years it'll pick back up. Jmo.

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I am not sure I agree with HTX hunts? If you want to hunt them great, but why bash a nt.ch. or gr.nt.ch. I don't think I have every drew a GR.NT.CH. that I didn't think wouldn't tree its coon. I don't think a HTX title carry much clout.Yes your dog treed a coon on it own but does that mean much. Thier is so much more to a coon dog than just being able to tree a coon. I have hunted with accouple differant HTX titled dogs that would NOT leave your side and when they did tree you were standing so close they wouldn't leave the tree any how, and slower than peanutbutter running up hill. If a fella likes the HTX. hunts that is great come out and visit and have fun but i can't beleive a HTX title would even come close to comparing to a GR.NT.Title. I think the HTX hunts are a great stepping stone to getting in the real hunts.

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an htx title is not gona change anything ,,, if u dont believe a dog deserved his nitech or grnitech title then go hunt with it by itself... me i like the htx hunts.. i did it with my grnite becuz it is just another title for him.. i still hunt him pleasure hunting.. but he earned all his titles honestly.. as for ukc pushing it to b done before a dog can b titled.. it wont work.. ive hunted with alot of grnitech that were exactly that grnite ch.. an ive hunted with a few that didnt deserve the paper that title is printed on.. so if you think that an htx will change something then put it on your dog an an go to the hunts an c if them letters after your dogs name makes u beat the other 3 dogs in your cast .. please let me no..

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I'm new to the comp hunting so I went to a local club to try the htx hunt. I got paired up with a great guide and he taught me a lot. I took a 8 month old pup to see what needed to be fixed. I think they are great and are a good stepping stone for someone wanting to get into comp hunting. Im going to get him to htx champ just so I can get more info on the rules and all that from a guy thats not competing against me at that moment.

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Regardless of the rules or whatever about all that. Am I the only one that finds it truly funny that some folks are scared for their dog to get turned loose by itself ? What exactly do yall think will happen ?

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I love how some people think all of the coon hound events need to be linked together. Show dogs have their events , hunting dogs have their events, and field trial dogs have there events. Who are you to say my dog must compete in the event you favor before I can compete in the event I prefer? If your getting beat in the hunts by a dog that wont tree a coon then what does it say about the junk on the end of your lead? So the argument is they need to be able to tree there own coon? Who all has forgotten that hounds are pack animals? The competition rules were writtin to award the fastest dog in the pack not the one that wont work with the pack ..

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I didn't go back and read every post but just a thought on this topic... I have my GRNTCH female that has one pass on her HTX and because I haven't put her in more.. but if UKC said before you can get your dog titled you have to earn the HTX then that is what I would do... I could see maybe saying you can still hunt the hunts pick up your wins and so forth but until you earn the HTX your other titles will not be awarded... The big question that comes to my mind is this... if a dog hunting by itself and treeing a coon in a hour isn't so important to some or UKC why is it part of the requirement to advance at the WORLD HUNT?? The people that has a problem with the idea of getting your dog HTX before earning a title does that mean you will never hunt the world hunt because before you can win the WORLD CHAMPION title you have to exactly that... hunt by yourself for an hour and tree a coon..

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This is just my opinion but the Nite Hunts and HTX are 2 totally different platforms to Test a dogs ability. I personally like the HTX and our Club holds them on meeting nights and do well as far as making extra money for the club. I like the idea of the HTX but in know way do i think they should be linked to the Nite Hunts. For the record i also am a big fan of the Nite Hunts. Both have similar rules yet slightly different. I agree totally that not all dogs can succeed in both but that is no reason to change the format of either type of event. Both definately have there place and I will continue to enter both.

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I think what we got here is these guys that have worked hard and put the HTX titles on their dogs and nobodies noticing. You go any clubhouse and ask about HTX, most don't know what you are talking about. The guys earning these HTX titles are wanting the same kind of prestige and recognition that the hunt titles get and it don't seem to be happening. So they have come up with this brilliant idea to require the HTX title first, before you can even enter a dog in the nite hunts and that will solve their problem and bring HTX to the masses whether they want it or not. I hate to burst their bubble but you cannot force feed any program to anyone. You guys with your HTX requirement are like ObamaCare for coonhunters.

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I don't care what anybody else's dog does . I hope it makes them happy . I keep myself entertained with mine and some wouldn't feed them but that's alright there mine , nobody else's .

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Like Tim Toler, I didn't read EVERY post as this sort of topic can be as divided as who's BBQ is the best, but I would like to throw my .02 in for what its worth...

I like the concept of HTX and will put that title on the young dog i'm hunting. As for the before you can enter the nite hunts...idk. I haven't entered one myself but have spectated and hunted around some NTCH dogs. I'll be honest (yet not taking away from those that have LEGITAMITELY earned that degree) NTCH is almost a joke with the way things are set up. A well called "me too" Chihuahua could make NTCH. For what its worth, if HTX before would boost the integregity of UKC Titles...why not?!?

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Go make one then report back.

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I don't care what anybody else's dog does . I hope it makes them happy . I keep myself entertained with mine and some wouldn't feed them but that's alright there mine , nobody else's .

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I didn't go back and read every post but just a thought on this topic... I have my GRNTCH female that has one pass on her HTX and because I haven't put her in more.. but if UKC said before you can get your dog titled you have to earn the HTX then that is what I would do... I could see maybe saying you can still hunt the hunts pick up your wins and so forth but until you earn the HTX your other titles will not be awarded... The big question that comes to my mind is this... if a dog hunting by itself and treeing a coon in a hour isn't so important to some or UKC why is it part of the requirement to advance at the WORLD HUNT?? The people that has a problem with the idea of getting your dog HTX before earning a title does that mean you will never hunt the world hunt because before you can win the WORLD CHAMPION title you have to exactly that... hunt by yourself for an hour and tree a coon..

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Dogs that tree coon are a dime a dozen ... I'm way more impressed by a dog that can tree the most coon on a level playing field competing against three other dogs ; without making mistakes , covering on slicks and staying out of trouble and having to deal with all kinds of pressure in between .

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Dogs that tree coon are a dime a dozen ... I'm way more impressed by a dog that can tree the most coon on a level playing field competing against three other dogs ; without making mistakes , covering on slicks and staying out of trouble and having to deal with all kinds of pressure in between .

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Are there really that many winning the hunts that can't tree a coon ????????? I find that hard to believe . Dogs that look bad now and then , of course . Dogs that do it in a style I don't care for , of course . None of that is a reason to change the rules to force someone to do it different when they can enter whatever they want the way it is .

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Are there really that many winning the hunts that can't tree a coon ????????? I find that hard to believe . Dogs that look bad now and then , of course . Dogs that do it in a style I don't care for , of course . None of that is a reason to change the rules to force someone to do it different when they can enter whatever they want the way it is .

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I don't know if there are any GrNtCh that can't tree their own coon but I read it on here frequently.

Can anyone tell me why they make dogs hunt by themselves in world hunts? What's the reasoning behind it?

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I myself think the Htx hunts are great. Some people don't like having to run to keep up with a cast or take the chance of running into a jerk in a cast like we all have. It don't bother me too much I go to have fun and have good fellowship with the other people wanting to enjoy themselves. I think it takes a coonhound to make a htx title legitimately. That doesn't mean that dog is meant for competition. People need to learn that what a person enjoys is his business and not meant to please everyone. The breeding just for fast tree dogs and hunt winners is killing all the breeds. Everyone talks about why the track dogs are a thing of the past we are killing those traits to win trophies.
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