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The more I have thought about this and applying it to me personally I have come to the following conclusions:

I will do my best to attend as many of the adjoing state shows that I can.
This would be NC, SC, GA(doubtful because back to back weekends with SC), VA, WV and KY the best I can figure. Of course I will be doing the RQE's.

I will be attending Black and Tan Days, Grand American, Winter Classic, Autumn Oaks and Worlds. Attending the state shows above would totally be based on our money situation at the time. My money spending is going to go to the 5 major shows that we attend every year.

I have run the B&T breed portion of the Show Purina Event for the last 2 years and we are blessed enough to have won the breed this year. And this year meant even more because she won the breed by winning at the 5 above mentioned shows. Unfortunately with times like they are I doubt we will have a shot at it in the future but you never know.

Off breed support of the breed events I believe will no longer happen. I guess this could be a good thing as the breed events will mostly likely be a true breed days again. But not sure if that will help or hurt the associations.

Anyway, JMO and this is how we will be approaching 2011 as far as our travels are concerned.

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This new schedule is supposed to cut down on travel time and allow everyone to compete??? Fl, Ks, Pa, Mi, Ark, Wi, Mo, Ia, Ne, Mn, Tx, Ok and Ms....?????? Does that look like less travel to anyone? They changed the format so that all contenders will compete against each other. This sounds great on paper but it will be Sept or Oct before any dogs have 500 pts. Also, as someone mentioned there will only be 3-6 local Gr Nts at most of these hunts so there won't be that many dogs to draw out against. It looks like some might go back to the days of bringing a few buddys along. Didn't the commitee decide to put in the minimum # of entries to qualify for Purina hunt status for a reason? What happened to that reason? "The Most Prestigous Hunt Title", how prestigous is it when you only beat a few local dogs? I thought the prestigous part came from winning at all the big hunts. I guess that I am getting old and set in my ways, I don't like change that well. I don't see how anyone on a limited income can run that race. Heck, I don't see how anyone with an unlimited income can do all of that traveling. I live in Tennessee so I guess that I will only get to go to 6 Purina events, Ga, SC, Al, NC and Ky. That is 12 hunts and with 6 wins I will have 300 pts at the end of the year so I won't have to worry about being a "contender".

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Don't the dogs that hunt in the big hunts hunt in the local hunts too? If not the same dogs at the big hunts are hunting against the same old dogs all the time too. It is just more of them.

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This new schedule is supposed to cut down on travel time and allow everyone to compete??? Fl, Ks, Pa, Mi, Ark, Wi, Mo, Ia, Ne, Mn, Tx, Ok and Ms....?????? Does that look like less travel to anyone? They changed the format so that all contenders will compete against each other. This sounds great on paper but it will be Sept or Oct before any dogs have 500 pts. Also, as someone mentioned there will only be 3-6 local Gr Nts at most of these hunts so there won't be that many dogs to draw out against. It looks like some might go back to the days of bringing a few buddys along. Didn't the commitee decide to put in the minimum # of entries to qualify for Purina hunt status for a reason? What happened to that reason? "The Most Prestigous Hunt Title", how prestigous is it when you only beat a few local dogs? I thought the prestigous part came from winning at all the big hunts. I guess that I am getting old and set in my ways, I don't like change that well. I don't see how anyone on a limited income can run that race. Heck, I don't see how anyone with an unlimited income can do all of that traveling. I live in Tennessee so I guess that I will only get to go to 6 Purina events, Ga, SC, Al, NC and Ky. That is 12 hunts and with 6 wins I will have 300 pts at the end of the year so I won't have to worry about being a "contender".

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Richard,

200 points not 500 as you stated... Here is the offical post from UKC


PURINA SERIES CONTENDERS
Any dog with a total of 200 Purina points will be considered a Purina Series Contender. Dog(s) having earned the required 200 Purina points to be considered Contenders will be drawn out in a Purina Cast with other Contenders regardless of category. All Purina Casts will have a qualified non-hunting judge assigned to them. All Contenders must advise event official of their status at time of entry. Failure to do so may result in Contender being ineligible to earn Purina Points at the event. There will be no Purina Casts at any Regional Qualifying Events.

Once a dog has accumulated a total of 200 Purina points it can no longer earn points in any category other than a Purina Cast competing against other Contenders. EXCEPTION: In the event there are less than three Purina Contenders entered in an event the Contender(s) entered will be drawn out within its category and is eligible to earn Purina points. A non-hunting judge will not be required. In the event five Purina Contenders are entered in an event they will be drawn out in one (1) three-dog Purina Cast and one (1) two-dog Purina Cast. Purina Casts will not be assembled at any Regional Qualifying Bonus Points Events. Contenders will not have non-hunting judges assigned to their cast at a Regional Qualifying Event.

The above changes have been approved by the Purina Committee and will be in effect for the 2011 award year. It should be mentioned in closing that further Purina Award options are still being explored and committee members will be seeking input from those of you within the sport. For instance, there is some discussion being tabled as to the feasibility and interest of holding a National Run-Off at year’s end for all Category Winners at a Purina event during the year. This run-off would be done separately from the Outstanding Coonhound of the Year Award for a yet to be determined prize package. Can you make it to one State Championship per year for a ticket to be crowned Purina’s National State Champion (or something similar)?

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Sorry, it used to take 500 pts to be a contender. I still don't think that you will have 3 dogs with 200 pts show up at one of these State Hunts until July or Aug. If you do, these same 3 dogs will be hunting against each other all year. Northern In is about a 9 hr trip. I will go there for Redbone Days or the World Hunt. I won't go there for a State Hunt that draws only 30-40 dogs. There is a reason that most of the big hunts are held in the "middle states". I think that it has something to do with "Middle".
"Seeking input", how are the comittee members going about that and who are they "seeking input" from?

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Richard,

The same 3 dogs have been drawing one another for years now in this race, so according to you that won't change. I for one think there will be more than 2 or 3 local dogs with 200 purina points, if most people that are serious about running this race and they will do like you do and hit 6-8 State hunts then there should be more than 2 or 3 Purina contenders at a State hunt ... JMO I applaud UKC for making changes.... A moving target is harder to hit than one that is standing still.

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Only 2 dogs kept drawing out with each other last year and they always had 2 non-contenders in the cast with them. So, you are saying that UKC is trying to make the target harder to hit/win. I thought that the Purina Race was an exciting and well run race last/this year. I did not think that there was a problem. I think that UKC already has an excellant year long National Event with the dogs having to win a local hunt to qualify for a Regional Event which in turn qualifies them for a National Event which they can win and earn the title of World Champion. All of the State Champion Event scenarios that I have heard sound like just another World Championship. Leave the Purina Race as it is. It is a seperate type of event and should be. It is a "Prestgious" race for hounds that win the "Prestigous" events. If someone doesn't want to go to all of the Major hunts then they can qualify at a local RQE and try to win the World Championship. If you want another type of race, then you should give out points for all cast wins during the year and let the dogs with the most cast wins hunt it off at the end of the year. That would increase participation at local hunts and reward the dog that was the most consecutive hound all year long. You could take the top 100 dogs. You could pick them from the top dogs in each state or the top dogs in each breed or the top dogs nationwide, however you wanted to do it. Now, that is my "input" from someone who is "within the sport".

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I've been studying this from what we have to look at and I see 24 state events if you take out the rqe, those should be a given if you have a decent dog.

PA & IA are listed as one day events. If they want serious Purina they should go for 2 days.

all others are 2 days but 10 share their date with another Purina event in a different part of the country,
3-11&12--- SC and LA
4-1&2 -----KS and VA
5-27&28---MI and AR
6-10&11---WI and MO
9-9&10-----MN and TX
I would guess this was done intentionally to reduce the number of events that could be attended.

That cuts it to 19 possible events with the rqe thrown in. If I was in I count maybe 5 state events I might try for,Mi., IN., WV., KY.and OH., not that they're close but just not super far. If you get into serious competition like maybe being tied for the overall win you will find yourself racking up those big miles if you want it bad enough.
Some where along the line you usually have to go a little farther and do a little more if want to win it all, for a breed win not so much unless your breed is leading.
Some of those breed specific RQE's might become more important.
The way it was you might have picked up a little extra by attending your breed days and the big ones but now like Lisa said you will pick and choose which means more to you. I've never cared for those kind of choices.

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I would like to say in response to John Delcamp that, in my opinion, because you live in Indiana, yes, it will cost more for you to be competitive in the Purina race. For anyone that lives in any other State it will cost less and will be very nearly the same for everyone. In my opinion.


When I mentioned about the miles early on, here is the response I got from Todd. I don't really understand the rationalization behind it but maybe someone else does! From what I understand, UKC is charging extra for the contenders. Business is business but hunters have no way to defray, or off-set the new brainstorms of the comittee. I have one question... How much input did the rank & file have before any of this was decided on, if any? Or was it of little concern what the supporters of the program thought? I guess since I don't have the financial ability to participate, I shouldn't worry about what I think is a dangerous & possibly costly move with very little planning. I say that because I don't think there would be the confusion if it was well mapped out & some of these people that have always participated in the past would have such a bad feel for it!
It is not just about change! It is about lack of planning & less than logical rationale! JMO
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This change sounds like to me they are getting people out of the clicks and into the sticks to hunt. I think more people will run. Sure a lot will drop out BUT it is a lot more of a race this way. Atleast everyone that wants to run can start the race and run for a while. Before it was hopeless if you couldn't take off work for a few days and aford to travel,eat out and stay out of town you knew you didn't have a chance.

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2 day events,,Isn't the purina race for show dogs only on saturday at the breed events and state hunts,,so why does it matter if it's a one day or two day event. If you were running the Purina event for showdogs a 1 day event would be cheaper ,as far as savings on Motel and eating . I know at B&T days the Purina folks usally show up saturday morning for the show.

And all this talk about RQE's can't you just place in one of these and earn Purina Points.if so I would be finding the closest one to me to earn my RQE purina points for the year.

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[ I know at B&T days the Purina folks usally show up saturday morning for the show.

Nope came in Friday night after driving all day to get there showed Saturday left right after and drove home in the driving rain storm and got home sometime Sunday morning.......

Oh what we do to just show!!!

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2 day events,,Isn't the purina race for show dogs only on saturday at the breed events and state hunts,,so why does it matter if it's a one day or two day event. If you were running the Purina event for showdogs a 1 day event would be cheaper ,as far as savings on Motel and eating . I know at B&T days the Purina folks usally show up saturday morning for the show.

And all this talk about RQE's can't you just place in one of these and earn Purina Points.if so I would be finding the closest one to me to earn my RQE purina points for the year.

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2 day events,,Isn't the purina race for show dogs only on saturday at the breed events and state hunts,,so why does it matter if it's a one day or two day event. If you were running the Purina event for showdogs a 1 day event would be cheaper ,as far as savings on Motel and eating . I know at B&T days the Purina folks usally show up saturday morning for the show.

And all this talk about RQE's can't you just place in one of these and earn Purina Points.if so I would be finding the closest one to me to earn my RQE purina points for the year.

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This change sounds like to me they are getting people out of the clicks and into the sticks to hunt. I think more people will run. Sure a lot will drop out BUT it is a lot more of a race this way. Atleast everyone that wants to run can start the race and run for a while. Before it was hopeless if you couldn't take off work for a few days and aford to travel,eat out and stay out of town you knew you didn't have a chance.

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Okie Dawg - I notice they have The Pete Andrea Walker hunt in OK, the Battle of the Breeds in OK, the Texas State Championship, The American Heritage Championship and the Fall Round Up out West most years so that is 5 major UKC events ??? Lot more than is held in my area and now your looking at running way more miles and lots more $$$$ to compete for the Purina title and in little ole hunts of 15-70 dogs ?? Not my idea of rewarding those who do the work of putting on top quality events for the public to attend.

Yes I think you will see off breed dogs fall off the map for breed day events, without the Purina points (SHow) why attend ?? And for the hunt its only about 2-4 dogs running but it was nice for those who did attend to get a chance to possibly draw a Purina dog and go head to head with him in your own catagory and beat him/her !!

Now the main part I'm not sure of, your hunting a Nite CH, 200 Purina points so your a contender, you draw out with a GR NT and 2 Registered dogs at these state hunts, most which only have 1 Nite CH win (Placement) you hunt in a Nite CH cast with 3 other Nite CH, win your cast with 400, this Purina dog comes in and has 425 and gets the catagory win !! not sure this is going to go over real well after it happens a few times (:

Well, time will tell, my old saying was why fix what ain't broken ?

South had 8 major events early in the year so you could travel test the waters and get a jump, west has 5 major events some early some latter, and then come the middle of the year most of the major breed days are central in the mid-west for a total of 6 major breed days ??

8 in the South
5 in the West
and 6 major breed days in the Mid-West ?????

I don't think any one place had or has an advantage over anyone else, unless you live in FL or CA or VT then yes you have some travleing to do, but lmao you still do under this new system

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I am thinking I just might run the Purina race this year. I can be at 7 events all within 6 hours spread out from April to October.

I just have one major problem, Lack of dog POWER !!!

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Most Purina events have 2 shows (Fri.& Sat.). If I 'm driving I'll go where I can win the most . Unless they changed it you can only get points at 1 rqe so the closest works but you don't always win.

Purina dogs in your show won't help your entries much. If their good enough to haul around they're tough to beat. At least if that happened at a breed day you still had your King & queen and overall breed wins. Your State show they may have to join a state assoc. but if they do and they have a nice overall prize it's usuall gone with one of the Purina dogs. I've seen this have an affect on entries. You very seldom get an easy win at the big ones so if you walk away with anything then 99.9% of the time you earned it.

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I would like to say in response to John Delcamp that, in my opinion, because you live in Indiana, yes, it will cost more for you to be competitive in the Purina race. For anyone that lives in any other State it will cost less and will be very nearly the same for everyone. In my opinion.


When I mentioned about the miles early on, here is the response I got from Todd. I don't really understand the rationalization behind it but maybe someone else does! From what I understand, UKC is charging extra for the contenders. Business is business but hunters have no way to defray, or off-set the new brainstorms of the comittee. I have one question... How much input did the rank & file have before any of this was decided on, if any? Or was it of little concern what the supporters of the program thought? I guess since I don't have the financial ability to participate, I shouldn't worry about what I think is a dangerous & possibly costly move with very little planning. I say that because I don't think there would be the confusion if it was well mapped out & some of these people that have always participated in the past would have such a bad feel for it!
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Ms Beddingfield,,didn't mean to offend anyone,I know how much work is involved in attending major events ,I know the Purina contenders are there before Saturday but Saturday morning on the grounds is when you see them there.


Mr Young you make good points. Maybe the Purina events should only be Saturday for hunt or show,,this would limit the amount of points a person could accumulate in one weekend, a lot of working joes could make a Saturday event with a buddy sharing some of the driving.

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Who in their right mind is going to try & compete in the Purina race, & have to try to find someone to haul you around! Especially if your waxing them real good! Or you loose your dog & you have to depend that someone that doesn't even know you is going to haul you around trying to find your dog when they are hunting too! Not likely!!!!

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Who in their right mind is going to try & compete in the Purina race, & have to try to find someone to haul you around! Especially if your waxing them real good! Or you loose your dog & you have to depend that someone that doesn't even know you is going to haul you around trying to find your dog when they are hunting too! Not likely!!!!

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Originally posted by jculler8
I know my breed rep never called me or sent me anything about any of the latest changes that have been brought to the forum last couple of weeks! Has anyone else's rep's mentioned anything about the new purina format or even the $5 charge for not having a card at entry time? I figured we atleast would have heard about these things before they were 'up and changed' all of the sudden.

Maybe I'm just missing the point and its up to people outside of our breed organizations???

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I can see that they are trying to get more people in the race and that is fine. But lets be honest it is a VERY small group of people that run this race. It will make absolutely no tangible difference in the attendance of the NH portion of a hunt if it is a Purina event or not. All they do is tax the local club to find non hunting judges and take away the vote of every competitor that draws a Purina d0g. JMO

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