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why punish a second tree dog when no one wants to punish a tight mouth or even silent track dog it takes both to be a coon dog strike and tree

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with rule 6 stating that a grand or nite ch dog can be scratched in time out, who is responsible to go to the dog with handler when the dog is found treed out of pocket in the time out. if ive got the hour runnin on me shinin the tree either rite or wrong is the last thing on my mind, i dont know how many times ive went in to get a dog and the rest wait at the truck,

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with rule 6 stating that a grand or nite ch dog can be scratched in time out, who is responsible to go to the dog with handler when the dog is found treed out of pocket in the time out. if ive got the hour runnin on me shinin the tree either rite or wrong is the last thing on my mind, i dont know how many times ive went in to get a dog and the rest wait at the truck,

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Wes, this isn't any different than it has always been. You have always been allowed to scratch dogs for offgame during timeouts. I have never seen it required that the judge accompany every handler to get his dog during timeouts and you won't see it under the new rule. These are honor rules. If you go get your dog and it is under a possum, you inform the judge that your dog is scratched. Or you cheat and say nothing.
How many times does a handler go to a split tree alone to handle his dog? Does he pull his dog off an obvious slick and move it over to a giant maple to avoid minus? He does if he is a cheater, he doesn't if he is honest.
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but in the case of rule 6, if the cast goes to the treed and can scratch the dog for off game then i believe the tree should be scored no matter what it is, if ur gonna scratch a dog and penalize it for off game then if it has a coon it should be rewarded, and if its slick minus it. I'm not against the scratch rule, but ive been on the end of dog gettin by herself and we,ve walked the other way from her goin to other dogs , call time out and find her treed with the meat,

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Why wouldn't anybreed association not want a tree countdown.

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Why wouldn't anybreed association not want a tree countdown.

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because most of the breed ass. members think that there is enough point diffenence for the secrete trailer in the points system already.

if a dog gets 25 point on every track it's silent.
have to have a very honest handler for this to happen.

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it keeps the me tooers in the game, so participation is up

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well said mr young. i hate to have to agree with you lol.

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Originally posted by Dale Young
Lot to be said for that statement. Many part time competition hunters, beginners, know nothings, etc. are helping pay the bills and keep numbers in the " game ". Making coon hunting a sport for professionals will only make it smaller than it already has become. I own dogs to entertain ME and all that about bettering the breed I really don't give a rats behind about unless it happens while I'm enjoying myself.
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I'm concerned with the fighting, arguing, and bickering that I have to listen to as a judge all nite long because things are not stated clearly enough!

is why it may be time for UKC with it's knowledgeable staff to sit down and pick that rule book apart and throw out all the what if rules and the ones designed to get more points faster than the other casts and cut it to the bare bones basics easily read AND understood so you don't need a lawyer for a handler or for that matter don't feel you have to have a super handler to win so you can hunt and enjoy your own dog. That in itself would increase entries.
UKC see's the results and problems with all casts throughout the country and maybe should control the rules and only summit what they feel is needed to the breed associations to get their input on ideas instead of the other way around.

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THIS, MAY HAVE ALREADY BEEN ASKED AND I JUST MISSED IT, BUT ARE THESE NEW RULE PROPOSALS IN THE NEW ADVISOR THAT JUST CAME OUT, OR WILL IT HAVE TO BE RE-EDITED AGAIN TO REFLECT THE RULES THAT GO INTO AFFECT JANUARY 1, 2011?

BECAUSE IF THE NEW ONE THAT JUST CAME OUT DOES NOT HAVE THE CORRECT AND UP TO DATE CHANGES, THEN IT'S NO GOOD TO USE IF IT DOES NOT HAVE WHAT IS CURRENT RULES.

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it doesnt. these advisors were ready before AO and the rules were not voted on till AO

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Wished they would have passed the bench show rule about 5 years ago. Would have been nice to have shown Faith a little more.

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Proposal #1~ Rule 2 (b) / Point System: - add to read:
125 points for dog declared treed first; 75 points second; 50 points third and 25 points fourth. One minute after first dog has been declared treed; second tree position will be closed. Two minutes after first dog has been declared treed; third tree position will be closed. Any dog(s) treed after two minutes will receive 25 tree points. Any dogs declared treed after five minutes refer to Rule 4(k).
Yes (1) No (6) Result (Failed)

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The vote should say...
ME (1) ME TOO (6) Result (Failed)

Hard to undersatnd why the breed associations will not pass a countdown rule of some kind.

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How many stop watchs would you have to carry? Everyone wants independant dogs. You have four dogs going to 3 differant trees. Now you have to keep a clock going on each tree and remember which clock is for which tree. If you let some one else time one of the trees there going to say tree is dead before the guy has time to tree his dog if it opens. Nothing is perfect but I beleive in the "keep it simple stupid" saying.
That much timeing might keep an undeserving dog from getting points BUT what a slick handler and a buddy could do would be a lot worse I think.

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it works just fine in the others that doit and its not that difficult to do. excuses. and not to disagree okie but ukc rules are far from "simple"

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I use one stop watch judging a cast, if 1;35 is gone when a man declares his dog treed. I say Dog so and so treed split and time is running from 1'35,, tree will be dead at 6;35. Its pretty simple.

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why punish a second tree dog when no one wants to punish a tight mouth or even silent track dog it takes both to be a coon dog strike and tree

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I use one stop watch judging a cast, if 1;35 is gone when a man declares his dog treed. I say Dog so and so treed split and time is running from 1'35,, tree will be dead at 6;35. Its pretty simple.

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well we will just have to agree to disagree. nothing will ever make all of us happy

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