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Again, interrogation is NOT the same as torture

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Like I said, there is a difference in torture and interrogation.

Left wing looneys don't understand that and want to treat terrorists like personal guests. (Or they do understand that and want to help the terrorists, which is likely closer to the truth).

Nowhere did I condone torture, nor did I say we should do as others did.

I do 100% condone interrogation and intelligence gathering from the trash we collect.

That is what the looney left was protesting, legal interrogation measures.

They were intentionally accusing the US of torture, which was false. They were doing it in order to HELP the terrorists because it helped the liberals politically. Many liberals were openly hoping for another terrorist attack to help them in the elections. Basically, they were rooting against the US for political gain.

People have a right to free speech, just don't expect that to mean free from consequence.

People that were "protesting" legal means of interrogation are responsible for all the dead souls the terrorists were able to kill because of the distraction they caused and time they wasted which prevented us from getting the needed information.

They don't want to admit that, but they are an accessory to the attack by willingly helping the enemy.

Again, torture is wrong, interrogation is not. There is a difference, contrary to what the looney left would have you believe.

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Dr. Rip,
you are much too intelligent to use name calling to demean those who may disagree with you, you can make your point by using brain power and not by negative name calling... not a supporter of tortue either, but do believe that we should use everything available to combat terrorism, not do as they do, do it right and better... important to make sure that those that we interrogate are actual combatants-terrorists... sounds like you are suggesting that anyone to the left of you should be interrogated as to why since they are loonies-lo... don'tt hink that is what is really in your heart and mind...

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rrs, not name calling. I am talking about a specific group of people, the looney left.

That's what they are.

I have plenty of very close friends that are very left wing, but they are not part of the looney left.

The looney left are the idiots that are actually on the side of the terrorists and actually want the US to fail in the WOT. They belive the US is the instigator/bad guy and believe that the muslum terrorists are "justified".

Those are the looney left. Not name calling, just identifying that particular group (which a large part of our mainstream media belong).

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No matter what you say, you have the right to say it.

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if there are people that support terrorism, they are in fact terrorists themselves, the looney left label may not be appropo, terrorist would be though... understanding the root of terrorism, being culturally relative instead of totally ethnocentric would not be supportive of terrorism, but using understanding-knowledge to better combat the same... understanding cannibalism does not make one a cannibal.. no doubt loonies populate all positions in the poltical spectrum, guess depends who defines who-what is looney...

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if there are people that support terrorism, they are in fact terrorists themselves, the looney left label may not be appropo, terrorist would be though...

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Not true.

Go into a crowded building and scream "FIRE" or advocate the murder of a elected official and see what it gets you.

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liberal,
intelligence-common sense and you have nothing in common, no matter what is said-you twist it into hate-negatives etc... ayers has stated that he and the PRESIDENT ELECT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, BARACK OBAMA HAVE-HAD NO REAL REALTIONSHIP... his own words, twist all you want as usual... why do you always try to take informed debate and take it to the lowest denominator and attempt to make it something that it was never was-intended to be.. get over it, new president has been elected... some are kinda like a boil on your rear end, serve no real purpose other than creating a problem... your mother and bin laden's mother hung wash under the same sun therefore you must be a terrorist too-makes as much sense as your rantings-ravings... give it up brother, the bell has rung and you have hear it and will continue to....

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wow... i have not read since last night and it looks like the second shift stepped in and took up right where the first shift left off...

everyone should really remember that any freedom given can be taken.. i see some people on here don't seem to feel like freedoms such as speech, guns, to own land and raise children as we see fit, even to go to chruch when and where we choose can be taken from us.. just as the left is wanting to take our guns, they will one day take our words, our bibles, our whatever... for those of you that don't believe it could very well happen..

i am not sure who but someone back up there said something about it being your right to say anything you choose and the service man/woman coming home and giving a black eye!!! if you, (whoever you are) in slamming our goverment/president with your words get knocked on your butt just know, you desirve it!!

annie, you said something about as long as it was called the USA we would have freedom of speach.. that is why so many of terriost groups (AND their american ties) look at us as the USSA... united socialist states of american... i hope NO ONE is stuppid enough to think it can't happen.. as long as we know it can, then we have a chance to stop it.. it is easy for a robbery to take place when the guard dog sleeps!!!!!

oh yeah, freedom of speach--- DID YOU KNOW?? did you know that 90% or sycologist now say that a person is hurt worse (deeper and longer) by the words of someone cutting them down than they are by being beat (physical abuse)??? freedom of speech is good.. but can and is taken to far by many.. but punch someones lites out and go to jail.. what a joke

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I just assumed we were all intelligent enough to understand that we were talking about opinions, not literal situations like this.

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intelligence-common sense and you have nothing in common, no matter what is said-you twist it into hate-negatives etc... ayers has stated that he and the PRESIDENT ELECT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, BARACK OBAMA HAVE-HAD NO REAL REALTIONSHIP... his own words, twist all you want as usual... why do you always try to take informed debate and take it to the lowest denominator and attempt to make it something that it was never was-intended to be.. get over it, new president has been elected... some are kinda like a boil on your rear end, serve no real purpose other than creating a problem... your mother and bin laden's mother hung wash under the same sun therefore you must be a terrorist too-makes as much sense as your rantings-ravings... give it up brother, the bell has rung and you have hear it and will continue to....

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Phillip, move to Iraq if its that bad here. Tell my son I miss him and cant wait for him to get home. Please do not be at the airport with your anti war and anti Bush crap. He is working for Bush on your sorry behalf.

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that sounds nice phillip, I'm sure you'll be going maybe you could take some Christmas presents over, ya know as an American Christian gesture of kindness.

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is the worst president the us ever had in historey

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you take intelligence to a new low and ignorance to a new high... nothing ever stated had anything to do with any specific person until your hate mongering can't let go of anything Obama, give it up brother, all done... try and open your mind and find something new to hate on, you have lost... by the way have never advocated for Obama, but for honesty-truth, etc... Obma was a child when bill ayers was an active weatherman, rev. wright served in the u.s. marines with honor dignity- a decorated soldier who put his life on the line for his country who did preach a revolutionary doctrine not uncommon in the Black church regardless if we approve or not, Rezko is a crook-no doubt who has contributed $$$ to and been associated with many in illinois-chicago politics, another reason soft $$$ should be taken out of the elective process and all elections based ujpon public finance...
believe the topic dealt with the term looney left, support of terrorism, etc... ethnocentrism-cultural relativism.. your hate diatribe just can't let go, again would still be willing to provide you some psychological help, believe made the offer before to another screen name... best of all to you sir, have a great x-mas and blessed new yr., wish you only the very best...

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That is what the looney left was protesting, legal interrogation measures.

They were intentionally accusing the US of torture, which was false. They were doing it in order to HELP the terrorists because it helped the liberals politically. Many liberals were openly hoping for another terrorist attack to help them in the elections. Basically, they were rooting against the US for political gain.

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I don't think it, I know for an absolute fact it was true.

Many in leadership of the DNC actually said good news in the war and lack of terror attacks was "bad for the Democrats". It was said in a manner that actually sounded like they were hoping for attacks. That is when someone in the MSM FINALLY put them to task and asked point blank and they stammered and said "of course they didn't want more attacks". But their true feelings were already out of the bag. I believe Harry Ried was even one of them but I don't know that for a fact. It was a big tado when it was going on.

Much of the media have been terrorist cheerleaders, many of the blogs and Air America radio.

Those are the ones that I know openly rooted for the terrorists, stating that in wanting more chaos they were really the Patriots because it would hasten "change" and in the end more terrorist attacks would "be good for the country in the long run if it helps get rid of Bush".

They looked at it the same as when a football fan roots for their team to have a losing season in order to get a new coach. It was pathetic.

That is where they earned the title "Looney left". It is a specific group of people.

Actually (this I don't know for a fact but do feel is accurate) I think there are even some on this board that would fall into this category. If it had taken Americans losing their lives to embarass President Bush they would have been all for it.

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saying that a great economy-if would have been such during the bush yrs. would be politically bad for the demos does not mean one hopes the economy goes sour... less violence in iraq may have meidated against the demo position in using the war as an issue, but does not mean that one does not want the effort to be successful, two different things...
Dr. Rip, sounds like you were down by liberalcreek and took a drink of the water there-lo...

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Annie, Freedom of speach works against most people. You know the saying, "I would rather be thought a fool then to open my mouth and remove all doubt." Freedom of speach is not a license to say what you want without consiquence. It may be free to say it, but that dont mean it cant cost you.

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you take intelligence to a new low and ignorance to a new high... nothing ever stated had anything to do with any specific person until your hate mongering can't let go of anything Obama, give it up brother, all done... try and open your mind and find something new to hate on, you have lost... by the way have never advocated for Obama, but for honesty-truth, etc... Obma was a child when bill ayers was an active weatherman, rev. wright served in the u.s. marines with honor dignity- a decorated soldier who put his life on the line for his country who did preach a revolutionary doctrine not uncommon in the Black church regardless if we approve or not, Rezko is a crook-no doubt who has contributed $$$ to and been associated with many in illinois-chicago politics, another reason soft $$$ should be taken out of the elective process and all elections based ujpon public finance...
believe the topic dealt with the term looney left, support of terrorism, etc... ethnocentrism-cultural relativism.. your hate diatribe just can't let go, again would still be willing to provide you some psychological help, believe made the offer before to another screen name... best of all to you sir, have a great x-mas and blessed new yr., wish you only the very best...

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rrs, actually it was a firestorm because in the context of the quotes they were asking about the war, lack of attacks etc. The tone from the ones commenting was actually such that they were actually asked by the MSM, who is on their side, if they were actually wanting more violence and attacks. That was the official DNC people, Ried and at least two others I think but not sure. When pinned down about it they RELUCTANTLY denied wanting harm to come to Americans in order to help the Democrats, but from the tone their true wishes seemed to be unearthed.

As for the economy, there were sabotage votes on the economy. You can't tell me that those forcing banks to make unsecure loans in the name of "affordable housing" didn't know what it would do to the country when those same shady people defaulted on those loans. That's beside the point. I'm not talking about buying votes with easy loans etc. I'm talking about people that were openly rooting for victory for the terrorists in order to embarass President Bush and further the DNC cause.

The others, Air America, democratic web blogs, grassrootsdot org, mainstream media reporters etc were not so subtle and actualy were openly wishing for an increase in attacks/violence to aid with the election. Not giving hints but openly wishing for more attacks (they didn't come out and say dead Americans, but they did say they wished there were more violence).

And they actually did say that they were the patriots and true Americans because more attacks would help embarass President Bush and would help America in the long run. Their version of "tough love". Nothing to misunderstand, they were openly rooting and cheering on the terrorists in the name of the Democratic party. Funny those same people claiming tough love for America in wishing the terrorists success are against the death penalty for confessed murderers, for the death penalty of innocent infants, and against corpral punnishment. They really, really earned the name Looney Left.

That is the particular group of people I am talking about, not Democrats, not Liberals but Looney Liberals, a specific group that cheered for the terrorists.

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if the shoe fits, if it squeals like a pig, etc... no way to debate with one that is totally closed minded, now who might that be, debating with you would be like trying to fill the ocean with pebbles, can't be done since your mind is always made up, the very concept of debate if totally polar to your close mindedness... sorry to offend your sensibilties by using x-mas instead of Christmas, have a great one by whatever name you want to call it...

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Rip,
like already said ayone that would condone terrorism is in fact a terrorist.... trying to understand the why of terrorism is again not in support of it.... believe again the loonies exist on the left, but also on the right, neither position has a lock on sanity.... do not believe that the gop or demos want or wanted failure of the economy, lack of success against terrorism, etc.... by the way are you gearing up for some form of national health care that appears to be eminent...

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