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As for the author of the Pledge. he was a CHRISTIAN SOCIALIST. That has very little to do with the Socialist movement we have in this last 3/4 century.

To correlate the two is a last ditch stretch of desperation.


from wiki: The term Christian Democrat is more appropriately applied to the contemporary parties.


by definition a christian who believes in the bible and christs teachings would be a socialist. not a communist, but a socialist. the current christian socialist movement has been ostensibly silenced by the ayn rand version of free market capitalism. we can see this very day how free market capitalism is working out. take a look around you- homes in foreclosure, record unemployment rates, devalued US dollar, crashing markets.
this country is ready for change.

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Democracies dont send out suicide bombers and want to destroy and murder their neighbors.



actually my friend, HAMAS is a democracy , and they do send out suicide bombers. until people realize that just because something is a democracy does not automatically mean that it is good, we will never have a successful foriegn policy.

there are good democracies and there are bad.
there are good theocracies and there are bad.
there have been good totalitarian regimes and there have been bad.
there are good democratic leaders and there are bad.
there are good republican leadership and there is bad.
AND MY FRIEND, todays republican leadership is probably the worst there has ever been. the republican party really needs to take a look at themselves, do a little soul searching , and reorganize. then they can come back out and be a helpful influence on this country, rather than the destructive force that they have been for the last 8 years.


I want to say that I dont think that the average republican is as misguided as their leadership. I personally think that most republican constituents have a good heart and are well meaning. unfortunately that is not reflected by your leadership. I DO NOT THINK THAT THE DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP HAS THE ENTIRE SOLUTION EITHER. THE TWO PARTIES NEED TO BE EQUALLY LEANING AGAINST EACH OTHER TO COUNTERBALANCE THEIR STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES. AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WAS TOO WEAK FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS AND IT DID NOT SERVE US WELL. AND NOW THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS GOING TO BE TOO WEAK FOR NEXT TEN YEARS AND THAT WONT SERVE US WELL EITHER. WE NEED TO HAVE BALANCE BETWEEN OUR DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS.

THAT MY FRIEND IS WHAT DEMOCRACY IS ALL ABOUT.

I want to give a little example of the bad results of unequal strengths. for the last 7 years we democrats have been concerned about unwarranted eavesdropping, datamining, and unwarranted collections of emails and text messages. we were unable to do anything to stop Bush from convincing you that it was ok. now what if i am wrong and Obama not a good president? now we have a government that eavesdrops at will. with no oversight [or very limited]. and it looks like the republicans will have lost the presidency, th ehouse and the senate. are we really well served by bush giving Obama these powers? Cheney had secret energy meetings. he exerted that it was his executive privilege to make major energy decisions behind closed doors with no transcripts ever released. Do you want Obama to have that right? The republican party will need to reinvent itself as the "small government party" and the "right to privacy" party. and if they dont reinvent themselves as the fiscal conservatives then who will?

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from wiki:


Yes, Wikipedia, The only encyclopedia where if you don't like the definition, you can change it to suit yourself.

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I want to give a little example of the bad results of unequal strengths. for the last 7 years we democrats have been concerned about unwarranted eavesdropping, datamining, and unwarranted collections of emails and text messages. we were unable to do anything to stop Bush from convincing you that it was ok.


So you are a terrorist or contacting remote IP's and phone numbers that are used by known terrorist operatives??


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[B]with no oversight [or very limited].

No oversight?? How about a court order ?? There is so much oversight the info they need is usually over with before they can get it approved.

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Cheney had secret energy meetings. he exerted that it was his executive privilege to make major energy decisions behind closed doors with no transcripts ever released.


So did Pelosi and the Democrats....Gas prices began soaring within days after the top secret meeting.


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Do you want Obama to have that right?[QUOTE]

He thinks he already does. Meeting with foreign Govts without Presidential approval, etc, etc.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by truly
The republican party will need to reinvent itself as the "small government party" and the "right to privacy" party. and if they dont reinvent themselves as the fiscal conservatives then who will?


I agree 100% with that. But compared to the Democrat party the Republicans are already all of those things.

All you have said still doesnt override the fact that Obama has suspicious associations, radical Marxist/Anti American affiliations, and the most liberal, anti gun record ion Washington's history.

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There are very few Democrats left that are in office. The Democratic party has become Socialist and the Republican party has become mostly what the democratic party used to be with a few differences. In MN. there are only two real Democrats left one is Colin Peterson and to a lesser degree Tim Walz. Both are in the U.S. house.The rest are Socialists. Obama is not a Democrat he is a Socialist, leaning more to Marxism. McCain is not a Republican but a mix of Republican and Democrat.

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we are actually seeing the failure of managed (or mismanaged) socialistic capitalism NOT free market capitalism.managed socialistic capitalism is what we've had for the last 100yrs. the former is the exact thing ayn rand described
in atlas shrugged. and, just like in atlas shrugged, i think the men of the mind have left the game to the looters. the goverment wants houses for everyone- let them have it, it doesn't matter if they pay it back or not---give them the money. it doesn't matter if they have no concept of value and want to overpay for the property hoping to make a quick buck--- give them the money. read your atlas shrugged again and know that without the men of the mind- the very men that are the true leaders, then who is it the followers have to follow. question--- where do the "workers" work if there is no one to give them a job?
question--- why would any private capital come into this market to "save" it when the public is so contemptuous of anybody that they think is rich?
question--- why would anybody with any brains and capital throw any money into the market with the high percentage chance the government will nationalize it?
if you are going to use ayn rand as a source- please get a correct handle on the philosophy.

p.s. i have to second what 1939 just wrote.

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There are very few Democrats left that are in office. The Democratic party has become Socialist and the Republican party has become mostly what the democratic party used to be with a few differences. In MN. there are only two real Democrats left one is Colin Peterson and to a lesser degree Tim Walz. Both are in the U.S. house.The rest are Socialists. Obama is not a Democrat he is a Socialist, leaning more to Marxism. McCain is not a Republican but a mix of Republican and Democrat.


Dead on!!!! EXACTLY!!!!!!

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Truly..another grad of W.O.U. .....

you know as much that is going around about obama, why ain't he been found guilty of something, like this woman...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27105917/?GT1=43001

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I see you are from Tennessee Wingman.

How is it that your Governor can use state troopers to look into private files on private citizens that were against his campaign and fire troopers that were against him in the election and not be found guilty of the same thing Palin was??


the Fact is she could have fired the drunken, death threatening, child tasering trooper herself but didnt want to due to her family's relationship with the trooper in question and when she fired the man who wouldnt fire him(who also just happens to now be on obama campaign staff for Alaska) she fired him.

What kind of person, overseeing taxpayer paid employees, would not fire a trooper guilty of drinking alcohol, on the clock, in his state funded /owned patrol car, making death threats from a state paid for cell phone, and using a state owned taser gun to taser a child with?

There was a story from Tennessee about a sheriff firing a deputy for tasering a citizen as a prank a few months back. Should he be found guilty of abuse of power as well.


I will also mention that Palin committed to crime and did not break any laws.

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you know it sound a bit partisan when one home boy was touting this as the Oct.surprise....
and the prosecutor say the claims were bogus....
when...
"The record clearly indicates a serious and concentrated pattern of unacceptable and at times, illegal activity occurring over a lengthy period, which establishes a course of conduct totally at odds with the ethics of our profession," Col. Julia Grimes, then head of Alaska State Troopers, wrote in March 1, 2006, letter suspending Wooten for 10 days. After the union protested it, the suspension was reduced to five days.

seems Col. Julia Grimes has some splaining to do...
especially when...

Troopers eventually investigated 13 issues and found four in which Wooten violated policy or broke the law or both:

• Wooten used a Taser on his stepson.(dats1)

• He illegally shot a moose.(dats 2)

• He drank beer in his patrol car on one occasion.(dat's 3)

• He told others his father-in-law would "eat a f'ing lead bullet" if he helped his daughter get an attorney for the divorce.


hmmmm, who telling the truth now???


OOOOPS

Sen. Gene Therriault, R-North Pole, said the report is flawed because Branchflower didn't take into account statements and other materials submitted earlier this week by Todd Palin and administration employees.

Therriault said Todd Palin's written response indicates that Gov. Palin, at some point, urged her husband to drop his efforts against Wooten. That information goes to the heart of Branchflower's conclusion that the governor violated the ethics law, Therriault said.

Therriault said Branchflower was unable to consider those late-arriving materials "because we had this artificial deadline today."

"Why?" he continued. "Because the ethics board refused to review all of the documents submitted to them."

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On April 11, 2005, McCann filed for divorce from Wooten.
That day a judge granted a Domestic Violence Protection Order (DVPO) against Wooten.
The same day, McCann's father Chuck Heath phoned police to inform them about the DVPO.

Also that day, police spoke with McCann. She said Wooten had threatened to shoot her father if he hired an attorney to help in her divorce.
McCann said that although Wooten "has never physically abused her," he "acts very intimidating."
She also accused him of using illegal testosterone supplements, drunk driving, and threatening to "take down" Palin if she got involved.
McCann said she was "scared" of what Wooten "would do when he finds out she has hired an attorney."


On March 1, 2006, Wooten was notified of the results of the Alaska State Trooper internal investigation. The probe found that Wooten violated internal policy, but not the law, in making a death threat against Heath.

Wooten denied having made the threat, but the investigation decided that he had in fact done so.
The investigation concluded that the death threat was not a crime because Wooten did not threaten the father directly; therefore, the investigator deemed the threat to be a violation of trooper policy rather than a violation of criminal law.
Although the death threat was listed as a violation of trooper policy in the Memorandum of Findings issued on October 29, 2005, it was not mentioned at all in the suspension letter sent to Wooten by Col. Grimes on March 1, 2006.

Wooten was also found to have violated department policy in using a Taser on his then 11-year old stepson in 2003.
He told investigators that he did so "in a training capacity" after the child had asked to be tased.
In a September 2008 newspaper interview, Wooten said that he set the Taser to "test" mode, meaning that it was on low power.

In a statement to police, the boy said "he wanted to be tased to show that he's not a mommy's boy in front of Bristol [his cousin, Palin's daughter].
Following being tased he went upstairs to tell his mother that he was fine."
In a statement to police, Molly McCann said "she was up stairs giving a bath to the kids … Mike was going to show Payton what it feels like and she told Mike that he better not."
According to Molly's account, she remained upstairs during the incident.

Although the Taser incident happened in 2003, it was not reported to police until on or after April 11, 2005, the day McCann filed for divorce.

On June 6, 2005, a police investigator asked Bristol why they "waited so long and brought the incident up after two years." Bristol said "because of the divorce."

Based on the internal investigation findings, Grimes announced on March 1, 2006 that she would suspend Wooten for ten days. In announcing the suspension, Grimes referred to the Taser, moose and beer incidents, and also to seven other negative actions in Wooten's personnel file, such as failing to use turn signals. She concluded that "The record clearly indicates a serious and concentrated pattern of unacceptable and at times, illegal activity occurring over a lengthy period, which establishes a course of conduct totally at odds with the ethics of our profession".

After a union protest, the suspension was reduced to five days, and Wooten was warned by Grimes that he would be fired if he committed any further misconduct.

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Re: obama

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How do you democrats claim to be born again christians when Obama supports abortions? Sounds two face to me.

under liberal progressive governance there are less abortions performed. under conservative regressive governance there are more abortions performed. period. this has been proven over and over in multiple countries and multiple settings. do you want there to be more abortions or less? I want there to be less, therefore i support liberal progressive governance.

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Re: Re: obama

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under liberal progressive governance there are less abortions performed. under conservative regressive governance there are more abortions performed. period.



Not true. Abortions under "BushII" have dropped considerably. In fact, Abortions are at their lowest EVER. BushII even stopped the bill that Clinton Executive ordered into law that used taxpayer dollars to pay for abortions OVERSEAS. I dont understand why people on the left side of this issue must consistantly lie and make statements that are easily proven untrue. And yet they still expect to be taken seriously.

http://www.sentinel.org/node/7968

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,323527,00.html

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health...ion-rates_N.htm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...8011603624.html

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_...ortion-The.html

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do you want there to be more abortions or less? I want there to be less,


Planned Parenthood is on video worried about abortion numbers dropping and cheering when "more women use their right to choose".

Have we forgotten the disdain for Sarah Palin for not aborting her downs syndrome child by the leftists media??

Have we forgotten the outrage that her daughter was not going to abort her child and the liberal, pro life groups ,actually taking up donations to pay for her to abort her child??

Have we forgotten Barak Obama calling his possible future grandchild a "punishment" and making the case for it's abortion??

The more the Obama crowd speaks, the more their hatred for life and lack of morals shine thru.

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abortion should not be a political issue especially at the federal level... supporting the right for a woman to have a choice is not the same as supporting or advocating for abortions... tough and devisive issue...

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american communists on rampage now


liberal progressing toward marxism



the shift toward marxism starts in one place and ends in another. my kids will be trying to poke coons out with a stick. remember- marxists love guns, but only when they have them and are pointing them at you. they prefer their subjects unarmed.

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marxists love guns, but only when they have them and are pointing them at you. they prefer their subjects unarmed.


John, After reading some of these threads and posts made by the Obama supporters, I have come to the conclusion that history and historical facts doesn't register in their minds. They seem to have very little use for patriotism, facts, and the truth behind their chosen political party's methods.

I am confident that the Obama supporters are the kind of people our founding fathers warned would be the downfall of this country.

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finally someone said it all. thank you liberalcreek. obama is the anti-christ, and the weak leader the bible talks about we will have in the ends of time. no true american can vote such a man.

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liberal creek, the very constitution we love for it's afformation of rugged individualism is regularly used for the promotion of collectivism. come down to arkansas- we'll go hunting with firesticks while we still can.


liberals(marxists), i work only for myself and family and only expect you to do the same for yourself. don't be eyeballing my stuff.if i don't work for my own gain i don't work for anybody's.

obama and the liberal's santa claus plans are going to require lots of busy, tax PAYING elves. santa always holds the to-do list and the elves tow the line.

the dictatorship of the prolectariat means everybody is a slave to everybody else. no thank you- i'd like to go it alone.

gotta go-- to work!!! fight the good fight patriots

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a.c.o.r.n.
american communists on rampage now


liberal progressing toward marxism



the shift toward marxism starts in one place and ends in another. my kids will be trying to poke coons out with a stick. remember- marxists love guns, but only when they have them and are pointing them at you. they prefer their subjects unarmed.


Senator Allied with ACORN as Recently as 2006, Now Turns Cold Shoulder

October 13, 2008, Miami, FL - U.S. Senator John McCain's recent attacks on the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) are puzzling given his historic support for the organization and its efforts on behalf of immigrant Americans. As recently as February 20, 2006, Senator McCain was the keynote speaker at an ACORN-sponsored Immigration Rally in Miami, Florida at Miami Dade College – Wolfson Campus.


Senator McCain spoke at the rally attended by hundreds of ACORN members, most of whom were dressed in the red shirts typical of its members. Senator McCain's speech focused on the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act, a bipartisan, comprehensive reform bill, which McCain sponsored with Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA).

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not a lie

Dale does not Lie.........McCain/Palin-08


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I guess you can make the lies up as you go....!!!!

What a JOKE....................


Like it or not.......OBAMA / BIDEN '08

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we are screwd either way. john is for hunting rights and is a true american, but might not have the best way to bring the country out of debt infact it sucks. well on the oother hand we have obama. who has a good economic plan but want gun control and has never worked a real american job out side of goverement. no one can figure where all his money comes from, or how he has the connections he has you guys are right when you say our country is on the line. i am not a republican or a democrat but i just dont believe obama is the right way to go is he a true american. I GUESS IS HE A TRUE AMERICAN IS MY QUESTION IT REALLY BUGS ME HE DOSE NOT SALUTE OUT FLAG NOW THINK ABOUT THAT

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from the LA TIMES:
The NRA on Thursday officially endorsed John McCain, though that was merely a formality given that it had already spent $2.3 million on attack ads targeting Obama. This puts the organization in the odd position of throwing its considerable political clout behind a Republican candidate whom its official journal once called "one of the premier flag carriers for enemies of the 2nd Amendment," and against a Democrat who never tires of telling voters that he believes in the right to bear arms. So what gives? Apparently, the NRA thinks that McCain's past legislative sins against gun ownership are forgivable, while Obama's are not.

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Can it be..............

Isnt it funny how right after Ben , Wipe, or what ever name he goes by this month is banned on here that liberalcreek just happens to show up..................thats weird !!!!!....LOL


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Re: Can it be..............

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Isnt it funny how right after Ben , Wipe, or what ever name he goes by this month is banned on here that liberalcreek just happens to show up...and all of his posts sounds just like Ben's ( aka...Wipe )...............thats weird !!!!!....LOL


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