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GA DAWG - I agree, but I have not hunted with too many curs

I will take those first strikes and the majority of the first trees and not worry. Dont really see a problem if handling a good coon dog. Now the cur boys may want to keep it seperate just so they can compete amongst themselves. So be it.

I am not looking to breed any coondog to a cur. But one of these days I do plan on having a good cur squirrel dog because that is just fun.

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Mike, I am not here to argue in favor of allowing every cur breed to hunt with the hounds. I do have a question for you. In 40 years of hunting, how many Loepards have you hunted with?

Jeremy, I also want you to consider what you say about "curs" as every breed of cur is most definately not the same. When you talk about them in the same breath as though they were, it is frustrating for those people that have worked very hard to establish a breed of dog (Leopards) that have been around much longer than any of the current six hound breeds today.

It is not that I want to sound snappy while this discusion is going on, that is not my intention. It's just that there are many people who think that the 1,2 or even 10 curs that they have seen in their lives represent the entire cur group. There are many different breeds of curs. For instance:

American Leopard
Kemmer
Original Mountain
Stephens
Canadian
Camus
Catahoula
Treeing
Faulkner

There are more I am sure. Of the varieties listed there is only one breed that, since it's inception, has been required to be open on track in order to be registered. That breed is the Leopards.

I have owned Loepards, Kemmers, Original Mtn. and Treeing Curs and have hunted with each of the rest of those appearing on the above list.

I would also like to say that I agree completely with those folks that pointed out that the UKC night hunt rules, as they now stand, will take care of any loose ends if they are simpley enforced.

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I for 1 say let them in.we have 2 clubs that hold cur coon hunts both hrs away.when i could drive 7 miles away to the nearest club.I've never been with a leopard would like to see some go sometime.and i would dare say that all hound owners could pick 5 dogs off the top of there head that those dogs were chop mouth from trail to tree and they stood there during the hunt trying to get an idea when that chop mouth dog was getting ready to hook a tree and they couldn't tell until they knew for sure that dog wasn't moving.

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There are several men in Mi. that hunt leopards. They are i Pat Hohl in Pinckney , and Matt Grovestein in Davison.

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That is a blue merle Leopard in the lead. This is an open event that had a very large attendence. He did not win but that was not his fault. I tied him near a water bowl and he drank way to much between the semi's and the finals. You should have seen him in the woods. Hunted hard, big mouth, better than 95% accurate, and treed like a champ with no pull. I ran him on coyotes to see what kind of endurance he had. He was pulled from the race after two other groups of dogs had been rotated and he was still in the lead. My leopard cur can't just compete with the hounds he can beat a great many of them. I want the same chance the owners of the top six hound breeds have to compete against the best. I don't give a crap what style of hunt your dog has. You still have to tree more coon than me.

I hunt Leopards primarily and would like to compete my hound against yours. Now you may have a better dog than my dog, you may have to get up for church in the morning or your wife may need you to take her out once in a while...but there is no way you can tell me that I don't deserve to come hunt my Leopard against your Blk& Tan, Bluetick, English, Plott, Redbone, English or Walker. It really is that simple.

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Hell yeah, let'em have it brother Dan!
Great looking dog you have there. I feel the same way you do. I'll put my Leopard up against'em all. I know I can compete. My dog has earned the right to be called a coondog in my book. His parentage is of coondogs. So lets stop talking the talk, and d@mn it lets walk the walk.
Im not saying I can win every hunt, Im saying I can compete with any hound on any night, and bygod thats more than alot of so call coondogs can do.
Skeered? I hope not. Im not throwing out threats. Im just saying I'll hunt with any dog on any night, and I know Ol Dooley is going to do his job(tree a real live raccoon), and thats all I ask of him............................

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Well hit the hunts then. You can hunt your cur dog in pkc against the hounds. Pretty much any night you wanna go.I've heard of no curs tearing up the night scene in pkc.......

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And I guess your just tearing up the PKC world yourself!!!! Youve won it all time and time again. LMFAO! I said I want to compete with coonhounds, not see who can make the most trees in an hour, and I dont need to pay 25 bucks to get my dog cut all to hell.
Its a different hound in PKC. Babblein fools, and slick treein alligators. Thats what wins your local PKC hunts.
Nowhere in my book does that crap make a dog a coon dog............. Im down Ga way a couple times a year. We should hook up for a hunt. Never know, Maybe I can change your outlook on a cur being a coondog.

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And I guess your just tearing up the PKC world yourself!!!! Youve won it all time and time again. LMFAO! I said I want to compete with coonhounds, not see who can make the most trees in an hour, and I dont need to pay 25 bucks to get my dog cut all to hell.
Its a different hound in PKC. Babblein fools, and slick treein alligators. Thats what wins your local PKC hunts.
Nowhere in my book does that crap make a dog a coon dog............. Im down Ga way a couple times a year. We should hook up for a hunt. Never know, Maybe I can change your outlook on a cur being a coondog.

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Tell you what Im gonna do, and this is just for you GA DAWG. Keep an eye on your prohound. Between now and Oct. I'll see if I cant slip in and win a couple pkc casts.
No threats on my end, but next time Im headed your way. I'll pack my cur, along with my pad and pen. Im never to old for a good schooling. Should be a great time........... Maybe we could sell tickets.
Sh!t I'll even bring the beer.

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greg- when yall come down here to hunt in my woods i donno wheather i want you to bring a plott or that cur youve been tellin about... hell bring both ill have to warn ya though- might get whooped by a girl and a black dog....

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can i hunt my hounds in your cur hunts

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How come cur hunters are saying curs are better .... and at the same time they just want to compete against the best in the hound hunts ??

Sounds like all the Leopard Cur breeders have to do is change the name and get in the mix .... wash that cur stank of them for good ,lol.

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hunt em together- enforce the rules we got now-


scratch em if they dont open on track--

shake their hand and congratulate them if they beat ya --

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VA&MD Plott Dogs.
I noticed in your post you mentioned a dog named Dooley. Is he sired by Ebeau and is his Dam Bobbi Girl?
If so, I bought him as a pup and trained him and sold him to Mike in Virginia. He was a tough dog at one and a half years old and I am sure he got better. He would make a good one to hunt in the UKC hound hunts if the leopards are someday admitted as the seventh breed of hounds.
The American Leopard Cur Breeder's Assn has been a charter member with UKC for two years. If all it takes is a name change to allow the leopards in, I am sure that could happen easily. Keep this post active, let's get even more opinions. Dan N

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Tell you what Im gonna do, and this is just for you GA DAWG. Keep an eye on your prohound. Between now and Oct. I'll see if I cant slip in and win a couple pkc casts.
No threats on my end, but next time Im headed your way. I'll pack my cur, along with my pad and pen. Im never to old for a good schooling. Should be a great time........... Maybe we could sell tickets.
Sh!t I'll even bring the beer.

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TREEING LEOPARDS ??? I think I coud get use to that!

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Perry, Treeing Leopards sounds good to me. Hopefully, UKC will start allowing the leopards to hunt with the hounds. I am sure that several leopard owners would start attending the hunts and shows. Don't think these dogs are going to go out and start winning a lot of hunts, there are a lot of good hounds out there and they will be hard to beat, but they will hold their own with most dogs!!

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While we are on the Subject, and not to inturrupt.
But Ive seen some Curs, poping up, that are refered to as Lepord Curs, and they look kind of houndy.
Ive also seen some Called Catohoulas, they look kind of Short eared, Blocky Headed, and Glass Eyed.
are there two diferent registries? Two seperate breeds?
Ive even seen it on the net, as the Catohoula Lepord Dog.

I like the looks of both of them.

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THey are two different breeds. The one that loooks houndy to you is the American Leopard Cur, and the other catohoula, or however you spell it, lol, is it's own breed.

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treeing leopard sounds good to me.Most people even coonhunters think Double Tug is a black & tan until I tell them he is a leopard.Then when I show him in the woods and he bawls on track and gives a real nice locate at the tree they cant figure why there even called curs.Hunting with the hound breeds is the only place my leopards belong in my opinion or any one else that has ever hunted with my dogs.
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if i had a pitbull i wouldnt put it in a PKC hunt all that is, is a way to see who has the meanest dog in the woods!!!! and most of the time the man who wins the money has just that the meanest dog there...

as for my curs i would love to see a open hunt here i know that i would get everyone i know to hunt a lepord for me... we might not win but im sure we would make some noise there...

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if i had a pitbull i wouldnt put it in a PKC hunt all that is, is a way to see who has the meanest dog in the woods!!!! and most of the time the man who wins the money has just that the meanest dog there...

as for my curs i would love to see a open hunt here i know that i would get everyone i know to hunt a lepord for me... we might not win but im sure we would make some noise there...

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buddy has a couple, both will eat you alive!! My buddies cur tree's coon and squirels. His famous excuse is.... That tree aint slick he's treeing a flying squirel.LOL

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Yeah Dan this is the Dooley that you owned( E-Beau X Bobbie girl). I saw where you made a post on here a couple weeks ago. I sent you a Pm, I can gather you didnt get it. Dooley is doing great. Like I said in the Pm, I hunted him in his first ever hunt a couple weeks ago. He placed 4th. Since then I have hunted him in another one. He took 1st!!!!! Yeah, I would say hes a nice coondog. Im still looking for a nice gyp to breed him to. Just wanting to find out if hes gonna be a reproducer. If you know of one, or know of someone that may want thier gyp bred Yell at me. The stud fee to Dooley will always be FREE!!! May take a pup, but never any money.
GA Dawg, Its hot as hell here so I can fashion how hot it is your way. Lets do a hunt about Nov. Would that work out? Im down that way fairly often so whenever(after it cools down) is good for you. It should be a good time.
Amanda, Why you talking trash girl? You getting your rocks off by hurting this ol fat boys feelings? I got you that shirt. I didnt know what size(if you wanted it for your azz or your ego, so I got an X-Large that should fit either one LMAO!!!!!). You know Im just playin girl. Send me a Offline on Yahoo. I think Im coming your way the weekend after Labor Day. Also I need your home addy so I can send you this shirt.

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