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Why were the rules changed to give the one minute grace period each turnout? I do remember people getting ticked off for getting scratched because they said their babbler was not a babbler, he/she was just cold nosed.

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Why were the rules changed to give the one minute grace period each turnout? I do remember people getting ticked off for getting scratched because they said their babbler was not a babbler, he/she was just cold nosed.

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Originally posted by john Duemmer

Even back before the minute rule, dogs wernt minused for babbling, they were just struck on the third bark and you hoped there would be some action before the 8 caught them.

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Amen Mr Elvis.

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With the old rule didn't people try to get other dogs who were legit strike dogs scratched for babbling which caused the issue and reasoning for the current striking/babbling rule?

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It's been several years ago now but in a two hour 3 dog $$$ hunt a guys dog was struck off the snap I had left the windows down on the pickup that dog wouldn't shut up killed 3 skunks within 200 yards of the pickup we couldn't catch it scared our dogs so bad we found them out of hearing after the hunt we never got struck they had a coon me and the inside of my truck smelt like skunk for weeks and back at the club the guy was proud of his win !! It's just about the wins to some people now and yes they got a scratch for babbling here to !!

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With the old rule didn't people try to get other dogs who were legit strike dogs scratched for babbling which caused the issue and reasoning for the current striking/babbling rule?

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That's not the way it was here.
If your dog was suspected of babbling it would be a setup on the next turnout to catch him at it.
No Sir, If they babbled they weren't ready for the hunts.
We broke them from it. The minute rule took away the need to break them. Now they just babble thru the minute and then are struck and everyone seems to be fine with that. I hate it.

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Not when, why?

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Elvis is exactly right, in my part of the country it was the same. Babblers went to the truck. If they babbled they weren't ready for the hunts. It was absolutely enforced.

You don't think I came up with the idea of walking across a field then turning back the way we came with the lights on them do ya? That was one of the ways to set up the babbler. Couldn't claim they were smellin a coon they didn't smell the first time across. Saw that on one of my first nite hunts back in the 80's

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Just walk an extra min an a half across the field. While I dont like the min. I do not think it will fix the dogs of today removing it. These dogs are not what I consider babblers. They are not hishi

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Watched the play by play of the$$ last night can't count the times dogs was struck under the minute it's acceptable now so I guess we shouldn't sweat the small stuff just move on !!

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Watched the play by play of the$$ last night can't count the times dogs was struck under the minute it's acceptable now so I guess we shouldn't sweat the small stuff just move on !!

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idea first strike 100 when turn loose 1st min for babblers don't need to strike but can if no other dog strikes minus them but after min when dogs strikes 100 all dog have 1min to strike for 100 2nd min for 75 3rd min 50 after 3rd min 25

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Instead of changing the point system . We need to educate judges to know the rules and How to apply them correctly.

Jmo But i think you should be required to attend and pass some type of seminar before you tote a scorecard .
in this day and age It would be very easy to hold webinars to educate and certify judges.

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I think some are missing the point here. The minute is what CAUSED these automatic strike dogs. It wasn't much of a problem before they added the minute in my area.

Back in the 80's it was easy to set up a babbler just like I posted above. Now that won't work because they are across the field in the woods by the time the minute is up.

The minute is what allows this to happen. Take the minute away and they number of dogs that babble will decrease signifcantly.

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I think some are missing the point here. The minute is what CAUSED these automatic strike dogs. It wasn't much of a problem before they added the minute in my area.

Back in the 80's it was easy to set up a babbler just like I posted above. Now that won't work because they are across the field in the woods by the time the minute is up.

The minute is what allows this to happen. Take the minute away and they number of dogs that babble will decrease significantly.

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Things not needed:
1. 1Min rule
2. 8Min. to keep strike alive
3. Leash locking

Things needed:
1. A countdown on tree
2. Greater performance payout
3. Minus 1st strike dogs who tree last & last strike dogs who tree 1st.

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Babbling = A dog opening it's mouth when no track is present. I'm not accepting of this type of dog. There is already a rule against them.

Striking = A dog opening up when it hits a track. I like a good honest 1st strike dog (not that I have one). The important word is honest.

Silent = A dog that runs a track without barking until it hits the tree. Don't care for this type of dog. They seem very prevalent.

In the 70's/early 80's there was a particular line of Blueticks noted for babbling. The 125 tree rule largely solved this problem. In $KC, with the 100/100 rules this babbling advantage got exploited, and some of it returned (with one particular line of Walkers in particular). So, I do understand that the problem does exist, in some cases. But, it's certainly not a majority!!!

If you're hunting silent/tight-mouthed dogs, LEGITIMATE HONEST STRIKE DOGS have the same strike point advantage over you that babblers have over honest strike dogs. So, I guess if they open on track, they're babblers compared to yours. Solution: Hunt an open mouthed track dog!

Honest strike dogs ARE NOT BABBLERS. We should not penalize them. We need more of them!!! BABBLERS ARE BABBLERS. We already have rules against them.

We absolutely should not reward silent dogs by penalizing honest strike dogs!!!

UKC effectively solved the babbling issue 35 years ago when they went to 125 for first tree. Been there.

To me, the biggest problem is the dogs that instead of running ahead of the other dogs, run away from the other dogs to get alone (don't have to compete). They still get first tree points despite the fact that one or two other dogs have already treed before them. The so-called deep and lonely dogs. Just try hunting by yourself with two dogs like this.

I know that my opinion is not popular with those hunting tight mouth dogs. That said, I fully understand that tight-mouth dogs are more efficient, and typically more accurate (a big +).

My preference is what I call semi-silent. Open honestly on track, but cover distance between barks, enough to let you know where they're at.

Bottom Line = Don't change rules. Enforcement is the answer, and we know it won't get done.

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I thought a tight mouthed dog was a semi silent dog or that was what i have called them all my life anyway,a silent dog never barks until it trees and a tight mouthed or semi silent dog opens on strike and then just enough to let you know where they are until they tree and a open mouth dog most sound like they are being hit in the rear end with a board until they tree.

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I thought a tight mouthed dog was a semi silent dog or that was what i have called them all my life anyway,a silent dog never barks until it trees and a tight mouthed or semi silent dog opens on strike and then just enough to let you know where they are until they tree and a open mouth dog most sound like they are being hit in the rear end with a board until they tree.

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