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Duckassassin
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If this is true and happens here you all in other states be ready for it

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quote:
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.....that flag is a sign of history.....It was not just a sign of racism and slavery , it was a sign of a huge group of people who felt under-represented by the federal gov't...... many didn't fight for anything to do with slavery . They fought for a freedom and way of life free from a US gov't that those in the north would never understand .....

A lot of people are saying that the civil war wasn't about slavery but was all about "states rights". But wasn't it the "states right" to own slaves that they were fighting about? People say that the Federal government was trying to tell the states what they could and could not do. But weren't they actually telling them that they could not "own" other people? And how does anyone today really know what was really happening back then? I mean, what you read and hear all depends on what history book you read and who wrote it or who you listen to. Just look at the "news" of today. I am living in these times and I wonder if I really know what is going on in Afghanistan and Iran. I still wonder why we went to war with Iraq. What in the world were we really doing in Vietnam and what really went on there? The more I hear the more confused I become.

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i get your point Richard. even today with the internet and all the news sites one must be very discreaning to get some of the news right. if you watch the main stream medea you'll get one spin and you watch Fox you'll get anothe spin. I prefer Fox but i'm conservative and believe they are more accurate. my paster watches ABC.

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Richard Lambert
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News media doesn't report the news, they make the news. I wonder how much of this took place in the past? I wonder how people 100 yrs from now will view the Vietnam war? I wonder how much our "history books" and what we have been taught has been slanted? I mean, people brought up in the Northern States have one view of the Ciil War and people educated in the South have another.

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They are useing the flag as a stepping stone for other laws to be past they want to remove the name Jefferson Davis from all city streets or buildings if it was about slavery pull George Washington he was a slave owner and as far as us becoming United and organized we would be labeled extremist or terrorist group. It should not matter what flag you choose to fly or why it is your choice. If your are black and find stars and bars offensive think how the Indian feels about the Stars and Stripes

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AppalachianBlue
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Even forget all that. What if u were racist? Who cares. I understand people are gunna feel however they want to. If they don't like me cause I'm just white. So what? Don't talk to me I won't talk to you. This is america its my right and your right to feel however u wanna feel. If you don't understand a "flag" it's ur right to continue to be ignorant bout the subject or educate urself. But don't tell someone else what freedoms they have to give up and erase from history. And ban a great symbol that reminds people of a great political point of view.

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quote:
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as far as us becoming United and organized we would be labeled extremist or terrorist group.

I prefer to be titled an OUTLAW.

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No . And I will tell you why I think they shouldn't , that flag is a sign of history . 10 states didn't have Lincoln on there ballot , for them it was like they lived in another world than those in the north . The flag of the was designed when they sececed from the union something the US gov't refused to recognise . It was not just a sign of racism and slavery , it was a sign of a huge group of people who felt under-represented by the federal gov't who and they desided to seperate themselves from it for a variable of reasons . Some fought by force others by choice . The majority didn't own slaves and many didn't fight for anything to do with slavery . They fought for a freedom and way of life free from a US gov't that those in the north would never understand . So many died on both sides , it is a time in our nations past that should not be forgotten and those that fought under the Confederate flag should also be remembered .
I myself have to wonder what attitudes about the American flag will be 140 yrs from now . Times change quickly and attitudes do also as we are all coming to realize by current events . There are those in power right now who already see it as a sign of war and American exceptionalism that should not be and that our country was unjustly formed . I honestly believe that this same conversation concerning the good ol' red , white and blue , the war monuments that represent our past will take place in our country's future . Just something to think on before you go judging the stars n bars and asking for it to be removed .

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Richard , if you are going to re-quote it don't leave out the most important parts . Many men fought and died under that flag for a multitude of reasons . It means many things to many different people . It is a fact that the majority of those who fought didn't own slaves . Some choose to join the Confederacy some were forced to join . Imagine a president being elected that was not on the ballot such a huge percentage of the states ,life in the south was as completely different as night from day even if you take slavery completely out of the equation . States still have the right secession , when these states voted to secede , something Lincoln/US government refused to recognize . Some today are wanting Washington DC renamed and his monuments removed because he had at one time owned slaves . And like I said originally someday in the future if we continue on our current path our American flag will have these same conversations and movements for it's removal . Some public schools have already ordered children on cinco de mayo to turn shirts inside out because it is disrespectful and causes disputes with the Hispanics but the Mexican flag is worn and waved . The US flag is burned and trampled on here and abroad , some communities do not allow the flying of US flags . I guess the only flag we are supposed to be proud of is a rainbow not founded by a belief in American exceptionalism or an act of violence . I will not be flying one or flooding my house in rainbow lights .

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quote:
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I guess the only flag we are supposed to be proud of is a rainbow I will not be flying one or flooding my house in rainbow lights .

Them good buddies may as well fly the white flag cause they've done give up on what really matters.

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Y'all don't forget that for the Southerners and Northerners too, their loyalty was in this order:
1) God
2) State
3) Country

The State of their home and family was held highly and their loyalty was to the State! Totally different than today's society. That's why we don't need a supreme court and an overreaching FG over ruling our State laws.

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Richard Lambert
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Whayever happened to, "United We Stand, Divided We Fall"?

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Whayever happened to, "United We Stand, Divided We Fall"?

To outside threats yes . But as one who has always studied history I know that our forefathers had a fear of a big centralized power in the federal government and believed strongly in individual state and citizens rights over that of federal governments powers . They had lived under the thumb and over taxation of the British .
This is the reason that the states refused to ratify the constitution until The Bill of Rights were included . Without the first 10 amendments to the US Constitution where would we be today , sure not debating this flag issue for we would have no freedom of speech .

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So, was cessation not an "outside threat" to The "United" States of America? Could the Southern States not have tried to work within the framework of the government to evoke change instead of rebeling and ceceding? Would the South not have been a lot better off?

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The Fed gov was a inside threat. Way worse

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So, was cessation not an "outside threat" to The "United" States of America? Could the Southern States not have tried to work within the framework of the government to evoke change instead of rebeling and ceceding? Would the South not have been a lot better off?

A Government that is certain it's people won't rebel is the most dangerous, the south cessation has helped keep our Government in check, rebellions are painful but sometimes necessary. Don't be scared

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as a nation, we might be thankful the south did rebel. they set a precedence. it is in our history. it's been done before. we know that we can do it. it's easier now to rebel again. maybe we will, at least on some level.

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we might be thankful the south did rebel. it's been done before. we know that we can do it again.

I'm thankful & ready. LONG LIVE THE NATION WHOSE GOD IS THE LORD !!!!!!!

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Richard Lambert
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A Government that is certain it's people won't rebel is the most dangerous, the south cessation has helped keep our Government in check, rebellions are painful but sometimes necessary. Don't be scared

Oh my goodness.... Isn't that what Timothy McVay said/believed? Y'all had better be careful what you post on a public forum or you might get a visit from Homeland Security.

Maybe by "rebel", you mean rebel and vote them out of office. That is what a democratic government really fears. Dictators fear rebellion. I always thought that "we" were the government. Isn't that true. Isn't democracy, rule by the majority? Whatever happened to "Government of the people, by the people and for the people"?

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Richard Lambert
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Oh my goodness, I guess that I went too far with that last one. Sorry, I will leave y'all to your posts with no disagreement. My daddy always told me that you shouldn't argue about politics or religion.

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AppalachianBlue
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That's the problem. We ain't anymore

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AppalachianBlue
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See ur older than I am. U can reminisce wen this country was at its greatest. In the 80s and b4. Now we got these flower child hippie commies from the 60s runnin this country.

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I'm thankful & ready. LONG LIVE THE NATION WHOSE
GOD IS THE LORD !!!!!!!

Amen!

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Oh my goodness, I guess that I went too far with that last one. Sorry, I will leave y'all to your posts with no disagreement. My daddy always told me that you shouldn't argue about politics or religion.

Thanks, I hope you are a man of your word

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Our fore fathers came from a country with a overly powerful gov. They feared the Fed gov. The Fed gov doesn't give 2 $#!-$ bout u or me. They want us to be sheep and dependant on em. We continue to trust em and get bigger and run rampant like the plague and thatl be our demise. They're even shootin for a one world gov. I'd rather take my chances on the moon.