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Just FIX the current system. 5 hunt wins makes a Nite ch. 10 makes a Grand. I think I've been to 6 hunts so far this year and only 1 had more than 3 casts. The current titles don't mean as much because of lack of competition, no need to add more.

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Just FIX the current system. 5 hunt wins makes a Nite ch. 10 makes a Grand. I think I've been to 6 hunts so far this year and only 1 had more than 3 casts. The current titles don't mean as much because of lack of competition, no need to add more.

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Yes sir ,get the hunt numbers up and you will gain alot more respect in my honest opinion . I know there is alot more involved to it ,than adding another ho hum title , This is just not me babbleing ,open up the Bloodlines and read it yourself .

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Just FIX the current system. 5 hunt wins makes a Nite ch. 10 makes a Grand. I think I've been to 6 hunts so far this year and only 1 had more than 3 casts. The current titles don't mean as much because of lack of competition, no need to add more.

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It may be different everywhere, but the attendance is way down here. The current system would be fine,(with the exception of Nt.Ch) if anyone would show up. Change Nite Ch. to 5 wins and leave grand at 5, or fix the performance program to where its worth the effort to take a Grand to the hunts.

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Leave everything the way it is then. How do we get attendance up? What about the 6-8 guys in our area that aren't hunting anything because their granded out? That's fine. I understand what y'all are saying. There's some great ideas on here how to better our competition hunts. A supergrand title is just a thought? Whether it would work or not? I think it would help, but some don't think so. And that's okay too! I believe we all want to see our sport grow, and our night hunt attendance increase with more competition. And that's a good thing!

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If they would double the fees for sires, registration, etc. they could double the payout and make the program worth wild again. UKC could also make Performance mandatory for hunt or show entry. I cant imagine buying a pup from a sire or dam that wasn't DNA certified anyway, and as little as the point value is I still want my pups to be able to earn them.

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Shane, do you not think if you go doubling the fees that it would push more folks to the other Kennel clubs? I mean, you go raising the entry fees for a sectional from $15 to $20 we hear about it. Just wondering...

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Im talking about the performance program fees for sires, litters, paying up pups etc. $200 to nominate a sire, $ 50 for pups up to 6mo.old, $100 up to 12mo.old to nominate a litter and $50 up to 6mo. and $150 after for permanent. This will double the point value and should make men want to hit the hunts a lil more. I don't know what to say about the $20 hunt fee.? If your treasury is low go for it. I went to my 1st UKC hunt almost 20yrs ago with an $89 Nitelite, $40 hip boots, $3 can of skoal, on $.97 cent gas and paid $15 to hunt. I don't get guys complaining about $20 hunts.

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After writing my original post on this thread I immediately came to the same conclusion as the following statement and regretted my post; You will be hunting with the same dog no matter how many titles you create and not change anything. It's a fact; that finishing a good dog out of Reg. or Ntch. titles, in local clubs, makes it easier for the lesser coonhound to obtain that same title. And the number of dogs hunting local is not there and has not been there in along time. This is what, I feel, has caused the degraded respect in the Grand Night title over the years. What I feel are the best ideas I've read on here so far are; 1. Require dogs to HTX a couple times prior to moving up to next title. 2. Change the requirements to more 1st place wins in both Night Champion and Grand Night titles. 3. Leave the cost alone.

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Why not make the night hunts elimination style like most ukc rabbit hunts, hunt 60 min rounds and come back to the clubhouse and draw cast winners back out, most of the time in these the best dog will win because the dog that gets lucky don't generally get lucky twice in one night, I think this would be great in ntch so you don't drive 2 hours every weekend and get with a bad guide and win your cast and get score carded out at the club, I think this would make a grnt more reputable because most generally the meto dog ain't gonna win two cast, at least if you have plus points you have a chance of wining

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by zshepherd
Why not make the night hunts elimination style like most ukc rabbit hunts, hunt 60 min rounds and come back to the clubhouse and draw cast winners back out, most of the time in these the best dog will win because the dog that gets lucky don't generally get lucky twice in one night, I think this would be great in ntch so you don't drive 2 hours every weekend and get with a bad guide and win your cast and get score carded out at the club, I think this would make a grnt more reputable because most generally the meto dog ain't gonna win two cast, at least if you have plus points you have a chance of wining [/QUOTE

Now that's more like it. I like this ideal better.

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I like it too, but 1 HR hunts ain't long enough. 2 HR hunt and then a 1 HR. Calls for some really late nights! Really late!

I still don't see why some don't like the supergrand idea. It would really be good for our sport I think. Make it so tough that if you make supergrand, you automatically qualify for the world hunt! 5 wins from different clubs. You'd just be hunting with grand dogs. Same rules as nitech cast. Better competition for our grand dogs. Keep em competing!

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The only way we are going to boost attendance is by creating new hunters. I tend to mind my own business and don't meet a lot of young folks to introduce to the sport but we all should take advantage of every opportunity to introduce someone new to the sport. I have a couple of boys that will be ready for the hunts in a few years.

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The only way we are going to boost attendance is by creating new hunters. I tend to mind my own business and don't meet a lot of young folks to introduce to the sport but we all should take advantage of every opportunity to introduce someone new to the sport. I have a couple of boys that will be ready for the hunts in a few years.

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Good post Jason!

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1 I'm not a comp hunter
2 I'd be more interested in the hunts if it were really gauged off the dogs ability not the handlers. Yes I had a bad deal on that.

Food for thought though
make it a requirement that you have to get your wins in two states and or 5 different club houses so many miles apart. Or something like the judge calls your dog not the owner or handler. So its a mix of the HTX and hunts.

It makes a difference in attendance if the new guys have a good time. JMO

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Supergrand qualifications:
1. Must have 5 wins
2. Must be at least 225+
3. No off game (scratched)
4. 5 wins from 5 different clubs
5. Supergrand cast must have non hunting judges
6. Scratched with 225- or more.
*after supergranded your automatically qualified for the world hunt

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I think that would work Bobby. I'd like to try some hunts this year if work will allow.

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Find you local club and go! They need you! And go just to have a good time. It works for me.

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i agree bobby there needs to be somthing i know several guys that have 3yr old grnites that just sit out back i would like to see em break em back out

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IMO a new title isn't going to save the nite hunts. We need a way to bring honor back to the honor rules. Best thing I've heard so far is make a dog get a HTX title every time they advance in degree with one HTX pass having to be at a non local club.

I hear and read so much about "oh that title doesn't mean this and this title doesn't mean that."

We need a title to mean something to everyone not just the comp guys so everyone involved in this sport would like to try for one or at least look at a pedigree and not totally question how a dog got it. Nothing good is going to come over night we need a new structure not just another title.

Again this is JMO and my two cents, which some will say is worth less than that.

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It makes a difference in attendance if the new guys have a good time. JMO

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I agree if someone new shows up and they feel like an outsider for one reason or another why would they want to come back. It's more than just saying "hi" to someone, its the overall experience.

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I think it's a great Idea, In fact I have three grndnites in my pen right now and several young hounds which are not ready for a hunt yet, so for the time being I am sidelined , with that said you can hunt a grndnites in any Ukc hunt, you just don't earn ch, points, of coarse Ukc still wants their fee per dog even if their not going to award points....Gerald

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