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According to wiki, Bob is correct, that the Brady Bill was passed under Clinton and Dem controlled congress. But I did a quick google search and found this article [and a few others] about the Brady Bill working its way through congress in May of 91. I wonder if Old Bush vetoed it? It appeared to have fairly bipartisan support.
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/19...iod-for-handgun
As an interesting aside, under the thought of "they need to enforce the laws that we already have", it should be noted that Hinckley did not use an assault weapon, not even a semi auto. And the revolver that he did use was purchased illegally.
Bob, what parts of the Brady Bill were eventually found to not be constitutional? I am not doubting, just don't know the details and bet that you do.

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i think that might be why some of us are worried bout some of the government folks up there,they got to much control of our money, or what once was our money,and the less freedom we the people have the more powerful the government can become. what i dont get is the president is more worried what kind of gun killed those children in conn. then why did he kill them, it dont make since to me.

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i think that might be why some of us are worried bout some of the government folks up there,they got to much control of our money, or what once was our money,and the less freedom we the people have the more powerful the government can become. what i dont get is the president is more worried what kind of gun killed those children in conn. then why did he kill them, it dont make since to me.
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1.The legitimate purpose of government is to protect the rights of its citizens.
2.People have a right to be left alone and live their own lives as long as they do not do so in a way that infringes on others' right to do the same.
This is libertarian in it's simplist form. There are many things I don't agree with. To me I don't think anyone can be totally a libertarian anymore, but these two things I believe in. I was raised on an Indian reservation although I am white. I seen what the Government and it's (GOOD) intentions can do to a race of people. 80% alcoholism, abuse, and more. As long as they stayed on the reservation they recieved money, housing, food and everything GIVEN to them. Why, because the politicians could say" we are taking care of them." What they didn't give them was respect and a way to be proud of themselves. Sorry for the rant but in the 40's and 50's when I was raised I learned not to trust the government because they don't always have your best interest in mind. I joined the Navy in 1957 and never went back except to vist my folks. Still have friends on the res. but times are somewhat different now, with gambling, things have changed. Used gambling money to start businesses and more. Not all reservations are better off now then back then though.

Great reading,seeker and you are right. The gov.has destroyed alot of families.

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The solution WAS to vote for the people (both Dems and Reps)who we knew this issue would not have came about. Obama and his kronies want nothing more than bigger Gov and full control of the American people. No matter what the man says his actions speak so much louder than his words.
See Trackdriver you helped create this problem. Now how can we help this situation? Write your senators, write Obama take part if the poles. The people that want to control the guns need to know we will not stand to be dictated. Not us hard working tax paying law abiding people. (Notice I say us)

Obamas allready proved hes not going to do or get the country out of the state we are in. Its time some of his supporters realize he is no good.

Naw,if you voted for bush,you had your hands in this mess too. Maybe you judge your freedom by how many guns you have but in my opinion there other issues. Why would i be included in tax paying,hard working,and law abiding? LOL!!

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I'm sure you are a hard working tax payer. What restrictions did Bush put on gun laws? IDR

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It is a fact an Ar 15 was not used at the school!!

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It don't matter

Whether an AR was used or not is beside the fact. If someone you knew told you a story and every time he told it, it was different you probably wouldn't believe it right. Same thing with this story the media has changed its story so many times its ridiculous.

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Re: It don't matter

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It is a fact an Ar 15 was not used at the school!!

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Whether an AR was used or not is beside the fact. If someone you knew told you a story and every time he told it, it was different you probably wouldn't believe it right. Same thing with this story the media has changed its story so many times its ridiculous.
If it isn't important then why do certain people have to refuse to believe official police statements? What is wrong with the media that funky88 gets that leaves him refusing to believe the official state troopers report that I posted earlier?

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If it isn't important then why do certain people have to refuse to believe official police statements? What is wrong with the media that funky88 gets that leaves him refusing to believe the official state troopers report that I posted earlier?



Because the story has changed so many times, I'm just saying that if someone keeps changing their story chances are its boggess. If someone was trying to sell you a dog and on monday it was a walker, then on tuesday it was a b&t cross, wed it was a bluetick walker mix, thurs it was a plott, chances are it is probably just a mutt. Not to mention the M.E. sounded like a complete idiot.

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If it isn't important then why do certain people have to refuse to believe official police statements? What is wrong with the media that funky88 gets that leaves him refusing to believe the official state troopers report that I posted earlier?
Simple, Its the same denial you lefties have about Nobama.Some will never beleive an AR was used,just as you,TD and others will not conceed that obama recently raised taxes on EVERYBODY and that obama is squarely behind gun control.If you cannot admit that then don't complain about F88.

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Simple, Its the same denial you lefties have about Nobama.Some will never beleive an AR was used,just as you,TD and others will not conceed that obama recently raised taxes on EVERYBODY and that obama is squarely behind gun control.If you cannot admit that then don't complain about F88.
If you're gonna lie at least tell part of the truth. I,TD,says obama has raised taxes and also was the one that lower the same tax in the first place. You can't admitt he lower taxes in the first place now? lol!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGn4o1Lb6L0
No ar used it was found in car! As for your police report as of this time there is not one and officials say it could be months before they release one.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGn4o1Lb6L0
No ar used it was found in car! As for your police report as of this time there is not one and officials say it could be months before they release one.

Funky, that video that you linked to is from December 15th. In the immediate aftermath of the shooting there was some confusion in the media as to which gun was where. If you would go to the first two posts of this thread you will find a portion of, and a link to the official press release from the State of Connecticut Troopers report. All 26 of the deaths at the Newtown School were done with the AR15. The shooter then shot himself with a pistol.

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You been drinking to much of the kool-aid even the corners report shows the Ar was not used

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I dont see where it makes a tinkers dam bit of difference what kind of gun was used. the fact is those children were killed by a madman that had decided the safest and most effective way to do carnage was in a "gun free zone". The liberal medias bait and swithch is apparently very sucessful or the subject of this thread would have been about how we get these psycopaths off the street.
The best solution i can think of would be to make the white house a "gun free zone".

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You been drinking to much of the kool-aid even the corners report shows the Ar was not used

Not sure why you would believe the mainstream media over official police reports that I have provided in previous posts.
"Police say that the 20 children and six adults killed at the school were murdered with a .223 caliber Bushmaster AR-15 rifle."

Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/12/19.../#ixzz2JJzHeaH2


John, if it doesn't "make a tinkers dam" then why do so many keep trying to claim that it was not an AR15? I am just trying to get the facts straight.

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Not sure why you would believe the mainstream media over official police reports that I have provided in previous posts.
"Police say that the 20 children and six adults killed at the school were murdered with a .223 caliber Bushmaster AR-15 rifle."

Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/12/19.../#ixzz2JJzHeaH2


John, if it doesn't "make a tinkers dam" then why do so many keep trying to claim that it was not an AR15? I am just trying to get the facts straight.



Heres some straight facts for ya, sad as it is this nutjob could have been just as deadly with a couple handguns, or a vehicle during recess, or a bomb, or hundreds of other scenarios that will not be changed one iota by limiting the rights of law abiding citizens to bear arms.

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Re: Yes, it was an AR-15

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Several threads have been started on this site spreading the lie that an AR15 was not used in the Sandy Hook shooting. One posted recently has a news video that is over a month old. Much has been learned since then. The exact number of shots fired by each of his guns is not yet known, but an AR15 was used, was seized INSIDE the school.

http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.as...7284&A=4226



AR-15 WAS IN CAR

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Re: Re: Yes, it was an AR-15

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AR-15 WAS IN CAR
Do you realize that the source that you guys are using is a 5 week old report from NBC while the source that I am using is current and directly from the Commissioners desk of the STATE OF CONNECTICUT Department of Emergency Services &Public Protection
Connecticut State Police?

How insane do you have to be to so badly NOT want to believe the truth that you will believe the Lame Stream Media over a direct source?

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Re: Re: Re: Yes, it was an AR-15

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Do you realize that the source that you guys are using is a 5 week old report from NBC while the source that I am using is current and directly from the Commissioners desk of the STATE OF CONNECTICUT Department of Emergency Services &Public Protection
Connecticut State Police?

How insane do you have to be to so badly NOT want to believe the truth that you will believe the Lame Stream Media over a direct source?



right, we should blindly believe the government, just like bengazi was over a video, right?

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Not sure why you would believe the mainstream media over official police reports that I have provided in previous posts.
"Police say that the 20 children and six adults killed at the school were murdered with a .223 caliber Bushmaster AR-15 rifle."

Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/12/19.../#ixzz2JJzHeaH2


John, if it doesn't "make a tinkers dam" then why do so many keep trying to claim that it was not an AR15? I am just trying to get the facts straight.



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right, we should blindly believe the government, just like bengazi was over a video, right?
All right, go with MSNBC then.....

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I'm convinced some people on this forum have rocks between their ears. The inaccuracies all come down to journalists trying to make a big break/ greedy news station reporting before it is confirmed. WATCH THE VIDEO. The gun taken from the TRUNK WAS A SHOTGUN. You can sit there and watch him clear it. Yet, people still say it was the AR. Just watch it

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I'm convinced some people on this forum have rocks between their ears. The inaccuracies all come down to journalists trying to make a big break/ greedy news station reporting before it is confirmed. WATCH THE VIDEO. The gun taken from the TRUNK WAS A SHOTGUN. You can sit there and watch him clear it. Yet, people still say it was the AR. Just watch it

I think it goes beyond "rocks between the ears". For righties, there seems to be an absolute barrier to taking in information that contradicts their viewpoints. I mean it's good to be a bit of a skeptic from time to time, but when a big news event like this happens, wait a little, let the dust settle, see which pieces of information can be confirmed by multiple sources and then you get a pretty good understanding of what happened. A cop would surely lie, occasionally several will lie about the same issue, but seriously are you going to refute what the head of the state troopers says when he is backed by all of the first responders stories?
The list of issues where righties refuse to give credibility to a growing chorus of information just gets longer and longer. It seems a righty will believe anybody or anyone that says a certain war is justifiable, or that a certain Republican passed a tax cut, or that a certain scientist disagrees with ACC. But if 100 people refute the justification of a war they are not to be listened to. Or if it pointed out that a Republican passed a TAX INCREASE or that a Dem passed a tax cut then that is not to be believed. Or if 100 scientists agree with ACC that is just an elaborate hoax. The birth certificate issue is such a perfect example of this. Look at all the righties that still question whether BHO is a legitimate U.S. citizen!
This thread has really been eye opening for me. I expected it to be a short lived thread. Maybe 3-10 responses. But day after day people come on here and despite the beginning of the thread having a clear link to the best source of info on the Sandy Hook shooting [state safety/ troopers] people will cite the very media that they so disdain rather than admit that they got their info wrong.
Open up your minds people......

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