Oak Ridge
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Originally posted by Lakeland Kennel
Back to the start of this thread, I think anyone who signs a petition to seceed has possibly committed treason.
The election is over and President Obama won.
Dave,
Do you even own a dictionary? By virtue of you being on this very message board, I know that you have both a computer AND internet connectivity. Therefore there really is no excuse for not knowing what TREASON is.
Treason is an attempt to, or conspiracy to, overthrow the present Government. Signature on a petition that asks for permission to "peacefully" withdraw from the United States does not in any way shape or form constitute TREASON.
As I pointed out to you once, and you seem to have chosen to disregard, one of the first documents drafted by our founding fathers on the way to freedom for the original colonies was the Declaration of Independence. If you had ever read that document, you would see the EXACT same language used in the petition that I PERSONALLY SIGNED.
So are you saying that the founding fathers and their constituents were guilty of treason against the crown in requesting to dissolve their ties to Great Britian?
The petitions that are being signed are asking permission from the US Government to PEACEFULLY dissolve the ties between the state and federal government.
"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
"...Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government..."
I truly have to laugh at your assertion that sedition and treason are acts of asking to withdraw from control. That peaceful demonstration of lack of confidence in our current government, and the claim of TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION are "treason".
The other issue that I would like to address is your constant reminder that "OBAMA WON". Jeez Dave, we know that....We don't have to like it, some may argue that he won with the help of voter fraud, but we understand that when it comes time for the electoral college to cast votes, Obama will become the next president of the United States.
HOWEVER, the last time I knew, as an American citizen, and a veteran of the US Army, I have the right to express my opinions, and to lobby my governmental bodies in an attempt to express my viewpoints. Are you so partisan that you don't think that anyone on the Right side of the aisle should never again express an opinion on how the country should be managed up until such a time as a Republican is elected? Are you so insecure with the ideas and beliefs that you hold that you can not enter into an educated exchange of thoughts and ideas about what should happen going forward?
Do you not understand that at LEAST 48% of the people that Obama was elected to lead and represent STILL have a voice, and still have opinions about the direction of the country that may or may not align with the views of the party in power? Do you believe that the election of a president should shut down any conversation, negotiation, or the voicing of dissenting opinion about policies, especially taxation and representation?
If you truly believe that, then we have become a socialist nation, where just the mere mention of dissent can result in charges of treason and sedition and you could face prison and even DEATH for disagreeing with the current administration.
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11-18-2012 01:49 PM
Great...KING OBAMA
