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Joe S.
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My son and I have guided a cast out of Albany the last few years, and have brought in a plus score card every year how many place in Ms. can do that.
That All Depends On The Hounds Cant Tree Um If Ya Dont Have The Power trust me ur guiding had a very small effect on the outcome! 10% Guiding 90% Dog Power!

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how much of a factor did attemting to hurt PKC have to do with the decision. i think this is as much about trying to take business from PKC as it is about anything else. I hope this isnt a trend, coonhunting wont survive without a storng ukc and pkc



Seriously? Other registries have moved on top of Autumn Oaks and the Winter Classic to take advantage of our crowd but not vice versa. For the last few years I think we have had a great working relationship with PKC. Those two hunts are not going to compete with each other.

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I far one think this is a great move.

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Seriously? Other registries have moved on top of Autumn Oaks and the Winter Classic to take advantage of our crowd but not vice versa. For the last few years I think we have had a great working relationship with PKC. Those two hunts are not going to compete with each other.


2 large coonhunts in same state, quite possibly on the same weekend at most a couple of weeks apart, and they arent going to compete for entries? most folks from a money an time standpoint are going to most likely pick one or the other, and now they have th option of a ukc. so yes i could certainly see the 2 competing for entries/guides/vendors ect ect

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Not now , you just made my mind up for me


Sir this is sad. You are one of the guys that are upset because its not in your backyard anymore. All the majors hunts I go to I gota travel and pay. And I hunt both UKC and PKC. The closest big hunt to me is 5 hours. Someone said it best on this post. The coonhunters worst enemy is ourselves. Its people like you that will help the Antis kill this great sport

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i imagine ukc is figuring most folks who were close to the WC but now far away from it, will just attend the GA now, when in the past they just went to the WC since they were so close together time wise.

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I hope it is as good for yall as it has been for us. Gona miss it and good luck. Probably gona hit Orangeburg and Indiana so I'll see ya there.

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I, for one, hate the move more than anybody. But, all this b*****ing, whining, and crying is going to change nothing. We may not agree with it but its a fact we have to face. All the guys from al miss tx wherever have supported us now lets return the favor.

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quote:
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That All Depends On The Hounds Cant Tree Um If Ya Dont Have The Power trust me ur guiding had a very small effect on the outcome! 10% Guiding 90% Dog Power!
True 90% is dog power but if you don,t have the guides or the coon it don't make any difference how much dog power you got

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I, for one, hate the move more than anybody. But, all this b*****ing, whining, and crying is going to change nothing. We may not agree with it but its a fact we have to face. All the guys from al miss tx wherever have supported us now lets return the favor.



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I live in the area. Our club has a hunt that same weekend and always come back with plus points . Had a black an tan sectional on the last of Jan. this year. It's like all place it depends on were and who your guide is. I know the places I will guide will be big delta timber with ankle deep water . Coons will be in full rut.

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HOST CLUB

What club will be the host club for the event?

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Ive never been too the winter classic this year hopfuly was going to be my first. I compared distances between batesville and Albany..... Batesville is actualy an hr Closer to me. Eventualy i plan on moving to arkansas and then it will only be a few hr drive.

Im all for Tradition but i belive change is needed from time to time to keep things "Fresh" and headed for the future not the past.

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I blame Obama. He promised change. Yall voted him in. We got change for sure!!!

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[B]I blame Obama. He promised change. Yall voted him in. We got change for sure!!! ]
bahabahahaha we need to get that joker out of office now thats a fact!!!!

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Agreed

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Two Toes
[B]
For all those sayin "They been to their last" will be replaced by as many or more that WILL be to their first.

No matter what'cha do........AHHH,Not gona beat that bloated diller.


Never attended a MAJOR event before. This may be the first. Could be the start of something big.

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Patrick Moore
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This is what the Albany news reported:

http://www.walb.com/story/19059711/...-after-25-years

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Re: HOST CLUB

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What club will be the host club for the event?


HL...There is a club in Batesville (Tinside CHA) but we will likely have a committee of area clubs that will co-host the event. I think there are six or so clubs within an hours drive. We are going to be meeting with them in a few weeks. We have talked to them all and they have offered their support. Should be a great satellite network.

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http://www.walb.com/story/19059711/...-after-25-years

read the comments after the story...funny

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Thanks

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http://www.walb.com/story/19059711/...-after-25-years

read the comments after the story...funny



I have noticed some of that over the years. Like many we moved our reservations from a place we liked as dog friendly and convenient because of people selling watches etc. etc. in the parking lot.

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Steve Fielder
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Time will tell if this is a wise move but history may repeat itself and Todd's comment about Autumn Oaks moving may be the most telling of all.

Autumn Oaks was first held in 1960 in Greencastle, Indiana and after experimenting with a couple of moves in the first three years, settled back in Greencastle where it was very successful in a long run. UKC decided to move the event to Michigan in 1979, 1980, and 1981. It then moved to Winston-Salem, NC for one year and then to Oak Harbor, Ohio in 1983.

Autumn Oaks was dying by degrees, down to what I remember as about 230 total entries in 1983. In my first year at UKC we made the decision to move it back to Indiana where we held our Homecoming To Indiana where it had been so successful for so many years and the rest is history.

If the move to Mississippi proves to be successful it will prove history as it applies to major coonhound events, to be wrong. I hope it is successful but I do have some doubts based on reasons other than just the physical move from one southern state to the other. My concerns lie with the type of venue that has been selected.

The Convention Center-type venue is not “coonhound friendly.” I faced this decision when we were looking for the spot for the first UKC Winter Classic. Fred Miller and I were on nine airplanes in two days looking for just the right spot. One of those was the fabulous Agri-Center in Perry, GA, just off Interstate 75. The main problem with that type of facility is that coon hunters are used to parking at a fairgrounds, tying their hounds to the tailgate, putting up their puppy pens, campers, etc. and setting up a coon hunting “community” for the weekend. Unless I’m missing something, the Batesville location will require the hunters to park in the parking lots and “walk-in” to the community center. Hunters don’t want to be separated from their hounds and fellow hunters in that way. Maybe Todd can address this concern. Perhaps UKC will set up a “dog barn” type of arrangement inside the convention center but dog barns are not as popular as they once were. Most folks don’t want to leave their dogs unattended in a barn or anywhere except where they can easily access their dogs. I think the decline in the popularity of the Breeders Showcase stalls at Autumn Oaks also bears this out.

These are just some observations from my experience in planning major events for over 30 years. I most certainly am not criticizing the UKC management. I'm sure they believe this to be the right move. I do hope the move is successful. I know the hunters in Mississippi must be excited about it. It would appear that UKC wants to expand into PKC country with the decision to move the World Hunt to Louisiana and now the Winter Classic to Mississippi.

I recall the first UKC Winter Classic. We planned it at the South Daugherty Community Center and held it there 3 years before moving to the Exchange Club fairgrounds. I plan a trip to Florida each year to pleasure hunt before venturing over to the fairgrounds to visit on Saturday. I’ll miss that but I will continue to look forward to my pleasure trips down that way. Who knows, maybe someone else will pick up the event in Albany and the proud tradition will continue for the hunters in the southeast.

And one thing more. When UKC took over the Grand American it left no doubt that it would upstage the Winter Classic and provide UKC the opportunity to either dissolve the Winter Classic or move it elsewhere. While many of those that attend the Winter Classic will now opt for the Grand American the move will result in a loss of hunting opportunities for the hunters. The Grand American can only hunt so many dogs each night.

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Who knows, maybe someone else will pick up the event in Albany and the proud tradition will continue for the hunters in the southeast.


I would say they will have some kind of hunt in Albany.

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well I don,t know and nether does anyone else if the move is a wise one are not, only Time will tell, how ever I do know this, to move forward often takes change , And I am glad that UKC has the courage to step out and make a move towards what they feel will better serve there customers as a whole, this move will promote and allow alot of hunters that could not drive to GA. to finally be able to attend the UKC Winter Classic, Let,s not be selfish and support the move and see what happens, Gerald

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