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The idea of buying American is good in theory. That's as far as it goes.

All that mentality has gotten us is automakers who can't build vehicles equal to other companies. If you had a relative that did inferior work for more money would you support him because it's the right thing to do. The big three have had a free pass to build complete junk chevy and ford trucks excluded. And we had to bail them out because we supported them until it was to late.


The right thing to do is to buy the best product for the best price and let the fair market take care of itself. Competition in business is the greatest thing for innovation.

As far as diesel engines the government will use the EPA to do away with diesel engines in regular vehicles and then they will start on gas engines. In ten years it will hard to buy a vehicle that isn't electric. The fact is that a diesel will beat a hybrid on fuel economy any day any way you want to test it. This fact is hidden and diesels are under attack.

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So JUST because the CEO's of the BIG 3 are American citizens, we are supposed to spend twice as much money for vehicles that are designed to cost us more money, and are overall inferior products to boot?

The heads of every company are overpaid, Big 3 or Foreign, guaranteed. Sorry their benefits aren't what the Big 3 offers employees, but at least they're creating jobs here in America rather than laying their labor force off.

For what I do, if I were to buy a new truck it would be a Ford Super Duty. No foreign vehicle can handle the work I give them, but for your everyday coon hunter... Toyota is a no brainer!

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Its a pretty proven fact that any rear wheel drivin truck be it v6 or v8 gets about the same gas mileage of the same apples. Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Toyota or Nissan doesent matter. The local Ford or Chevy Haters / Toyota Nissan Lovers are ignorant (meaning uneducated)

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Ford, Chevy, and Dodge do not make a light duty pickup that lasts as lone on the average. They also do not compare in mileage whcen you compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges. Yes a 4 Cyl will compare to Toyota's V6, but you lack the power. I don't hate American companies, but I will say the reason they are struggling is not solely because of the consumer. If they worked to put out product that was as dependable and economic as the other companies they would still be thriving! I don't blame the real workers. Its upper management that decides what corners to cut.

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ignorant comment from one that doesnt see the whole picture....

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Lol obvious case of once you know you've lost the argument resort to name calling. What are we fifth graders. We disagree so you resort to calling me ignorant.


Let me ask you what makes foreign vehicles so popular. I believe a large percentage of people would rather buy American if all things were equal.

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Ford, Chevy, and Dodge do not make a light duty pickup that lasts as lone on the average. They also do not compare in mileage whcen you compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges. Yes a 4 Cyl will compare to Toyota's V6, but you lack the power. I don't hate American companies, but I will say the reason they are struggling is not solely because of the consumer. If they worked to put out product that was as dependable and economic as the other companies they would still be thriving! I don't blame the real workers. Its upper management that decides what corners to cut.

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For those interested in this topic...

http://www.levelfieldinstitute.org/fact_kit.html

This website will be very helpful. Apologies to the thread starter, I don't think this was intended to be a debate.

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For those interested in this topic...

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Where did you find that? Im pretty much in agreement with it.

Most call me Lroy, or Lee not "son" tho it doesnt hurt my feelings for someone older than me(because I respect my elders) to call me son but if we are close to the same age I wouldnt advise it.
Me calling out ignorant means uneducated, its not a name or name calling. Ive lived many years watching American folks support foreign countries, foreign manufacturing and watched people shun the American industry and it does bother me. I been in manufacturing all my life so im calling you foreign supporters out...If you dont like it keep argueing with me but you cant support your facts.
All Japan, German, Korean ect...made autos made/sold in the U.S send the profits home. Thats a fact. What I dont know is the facts are how they were helped out by our Gov, counties to be put in place but im sure they had some kind of assistance to get started. Yes those countries support jobs for the U.S but it is to benifit profits only not because they LOVE AMERICA.

All autos are manufactured pretty much the same these days. They all last 200,000 miles plus if maintianed properly. Thay are made on the same type of robotic, automated machines and their castings are sourced from the same locations. They all have pros and cons qualities and faults. Their tools are sourced from the same companies from the same substraights. They all get about the same gas mileage the only difference is design and layout of the interiors/exteriors. So you folks that think Toyota, Nissan, Kias are superior to your local owned United States auto manufactures are wrong wrong wrong and you are basing your facts on opinions only.

Where has America failed to keep up with industry? Politics, we are the MOST regulated country on earth. Our leaders dont want to manufacture here, FACT. Theres just no way around some manufacturing. Auto, aroespace, medical, and food industy is the bulk of the manufacturing left in our country. Majority of the other industries have left and followed cheap labor.
One more thing then I want to hush. We are in a world market these days. We can connect with anyone any where from the hills of TN to the MTs of China. I deal with folks indirectly in China and Korea daily. They can make as good a part as anyone in the world and so can we. Actually America are the innovators for manufacturing and the rest of the world has caught up. WHY? because of communication and technology, not because one product is better or worse.

SO in short, you foreign auto supporters are bias in your opinions and dont have hard core facts that the American owned autos cant compete. FACT...

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So JUST because the CEO's of the BIG 3 are American citizens, we are supposed to spend twice as much money for vehicles that are designed to cost us more money, and are overall inferior products to boot?

The heads of every company are overpaid, Big 3 or Foreign, guaranteed. Sorry their benefits aren't what the Big 3 offers employees, but at least they're creating jobs here in America rather than laying their labor force off.

For what I do, if I were to buy a new truck it would be a Ford Super Duty. No foreign vehicle can handle the work I give them, but for your everyday coon hunter... Toyota is a no brainer!

You my friend are ignorant.

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I'm an old Kentucky coonhunter presently living in Thailand where I've worked off and on for several years. Ford and General Motors both have huge factories here that build pickups, I have a 2000 Ford Ranger 4 door with a 2.9 Ltr turbo diesel that I bought new, gets minimum of 35 mpg and now has about 160,000 miles on it. Both companies have labor deals that now actually pay less than the Thai minimum wage, $10 per day ! The trucks are sold all over Asia, Australia and Europe, all pickups made here are diesel, they don't even offer gas engines, the cars they're building are offered in diesel, gas and natural gas. Why aren't these same type of vehicles being sold in the U.S. ? The engine in my truck hasn't been touched, doesn't smoke and doesn't rattle, if you had open road driving here like in the U.S. the mileage would probably be over 40.

Toyota is the number one selling truck here, they have over 60% of the business and their trucks simply hold up better than anyone elses. The American trucks here could be made in the U.S. but the greed of the car companies keeps it from happening, when the taxpayers bailed out G.M. they failed to show the American taxpayers that their Asian operations were making a fortune but the profits here aren't sent back in order to avoid paying tax on them. Feel no pity for American automakers.

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I agree that as a whole the American auto manufacturers have really stepped up their game in the past ten years or so and are doing a very good job at producing cars and trucks that are as well built as their foreign counterparts. With a few exceptions most domestic made vehicles now last at least 200,000 miles with very few problems. BUT, historically this has not been the case and anybody who will argue this point is in serious denial. This fact as well as the OBAMA bailout of the big three has left a bad taste in my mouth and that is why I continue to prefer a Toyota. I do concede that the big three have done an excellant job at cornering the full size truck market and think that they are the only realistic option for a truck that will be put to work pulling a trailer on a daily basis. But for the average person who needs an economical and reliable four wheel drive vehicle for coonhuntimg the Toyota is king.

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Tuly you strike me as a person who would be well served to stop wasting so mch time hateing people who are very sucessful and spend more time trying to become one. In most cases they have worked very hard for what they have.

All those american companies that you love to hate are the job providers that have allowed us as a country to have the best standard of living anywhere in the world and without them we sure will be worse off.

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I agree that as a whole the American auto manufacturers have really stepped up their game in the past ten years or so and are doing a very good job at producing cars and trucks that are as well built as their foreign counterparts. With a few exceptions most domestic made vehicles now last at least 200,000 miles with very few problems. BUT, historically this has not been the case and anybody who will argue this point is in serious denial. This fact as well as the OBAMA bailout of the big three has left a bad taste in my mouth and that is why I continue to prefer a Toyota. I do concede that the big three have done an excellant job at cornering the full size truck market and think that they are the only realistic option for a truck that will be put to work pulling a trailer on a daily basis. But for the average person who needs an economical and reliable four wheel drive vehicle for coonhuntimg the Toyota is king.

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Accepting bailout money that will be a burden paid for by our children because they are to "BIG" to fail is not American. These socialistic ideals are not and never have been in line with the principles of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness that this great nation was founded upon. Supporting the big three and their union driven agendas is not in my opinion a patriotic move. We should have let capitalism work and allowed them to fall into bankruptcy then it would have been possible for them to restructure and resurrect as union free companies. If they can build vehicles that are superior to the competitions and price them economically enough they would have no problem thriving.

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Fact I own a 02 Cadillac with 190,000 miles still running good. I own a 02 Trailblazer with 170,000 drive it everywhere. I own a Chevy 1500 with 224,000 running strong would drive it to California and back.

I blame your Gov for the bail outs more than the companies. No, I didnt like it either. But you guys calling any of the big three inferior to foreign competitors are wrong.

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One more fact.. I dont support any of the auto makers. Unless I have cash in hand im not buying. No way will I finance 20, 45,000 dollars to purchase any new car or truck.

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Really? Last Toyota v6 I owned got the same gas mileage as the Chevy v8.
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Read my previous posts and you will see that I am not talking about the v6 motor. I am not a fan at all of the Toyota 3.slow ,I mean 3.0 motor. I am not very impressed with the Nileage that that motor was producing. However I still believe quite firmly that the Toyota trucks of that era lasted much longer than their American counterparts. By the way what year and make and model of Chevy are you refering to? In my experiance the only chevy v8 trucks that where able to consistently get near 20 miles per gallon where two wheel drive single cab manual transmissions. Not really my idea of a good coonhunting truck.

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Tennessee manufacturing" Nissan, Toyota VW and much more. I can take local made cutting tools and sell to any of the big three. I cannot get into any of the foreign owned auto factories. I have not been able to sell to any of them. They ship from Japan most of their cutting tool needs, taking care of and creating jobs supporting their home land only substituting locals for needs that can ship over.
Once cold called on a German cutting tool manufacturer in TN and they escorted me out their door saying they will not buy local but ship all their products from Germany. They will sure sell to any American owned/operated factory.
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