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Unless things change it looks like this bill in both houses will be stalled and not even get out of committee. Has anyone in Tony Cornish's district called and talked to anybody on his staff? Sounds like he is against this bill and as it stands now, as chairman of the committee he most likely not even have a hearing on it.

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Im lookin into it Bob!

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People that live in areas where there is a Pet Smart and places like that where they will let you put up a poster about this, maybe find a picture of a dog in a coniber and post the HF 2242 AND SF 1736 and tell them to call and support the bill. Could even post langauge of bill. We will need more then us to get a bill passed as the trappers are organized against this bill. Where I live, in a small community, people don't care one way or another.

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I think all the information posted are great suggestions for folks to do as individuals, but I think it would be a good idea for some organization to be looking for a lobbyist that would work for sporting dog enthusiasts for the next few months.

We're going to get beat on this thing and just watch... the MTA will turn it around on houndsmen and we'll be losing some of our rights instead. Sounds like they're already trying to turn it around and blame dog catches on dogs at large, when several of them are hunting dogs owned by fellow sportsmen utilizing they're rights to free cast hunting dogs.

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Does the Duck and pheasant hunters have lobbyists or and other Lobyyist? Maybe we could hire them to represent us too. Jesse, can you talk to Mike E. and find out if he can find out? The State Assoc. should have enough money to pay some one to represent us at the leg. I think without something like this we don't have a chance.

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Have any of you put any thought into what the Ram power snare does to dogs, it also should be brought to attention. They are designed to kill what gets in them instantly, with the proposal of the new wolf season you will also see more of these in the woods.

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There are people on here saying that this bill would basiclly make the conibear trap usless for coon and bobcat . The way I see it is if they are truly into trapping the could use leg hold traps. But most trappers don't want to do this as they would not be able to run as many traps. By the MN trapping regulations a trap that is not able to kill or drowned the animal has to be checked daily. Conibears and traps like it only have to be checked every three days. I know of some conibear traps that where set over den entrences with out any name on them. They got removed with one call to the DNR officer. Also seen a couple of these sets that had coon in them for almost a week before being removed. this to me says the owner is trying to run way to many traps.

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I'm sure Jim Hill has already informed everyone but just in case he hasn't.... the DNR Input meetings start this week...

Posted: Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:00 pm | Updated: 2:57 pm, Fri Feb 17, 2012.

By Rob Drieslein

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The DNR announced this week that it's seeking citizen input on three hunting and trapping issues at a series of five meetings beginning this coming Thursday. The proposals are:

• Requiring non-toxic shot for rail and snipe hunting.

• Adding a third waterfowl zone in southern Minnesota.

• Allowing snaring to begin earlier on private property in the farmland zone.

All three topics should generate some quality discussion and debate, and I worry – given the timing of the announcement – that readers of the print version of Outdoor News will miss the Winona meeting. Given that the third waterfowl zone will probably directly affect Mississippi River hunters, I really wish we could have given them some background and a heads-up about this meeting. Here's hoping they read this blog.

Anyway, the meeting dates are:

• Thursday, Feb. 23,Tandeski Center, 1200 Storr's Pond Road, Winona.

• Tuesday, Feb. 28, Highland Middle School, 801 Central Ave. N., Crookston.

• Thursday, March 8, Nicollet Conservation Club, 46045 471st Lane, Nicollet.

• Thursday, March 8, Mille Lacs Energy, 36559 U.S. Highway 169, Aitkin.

• Thursday, March 15, DNR Headquarters, 500 Lafayette Road, St. Paul.

Meetings will be from 7-9 p.m.

A DNR press release says that if the Legislature approves and the governor signs a bill authorizing a wolf hunting and trapping season, a separate public input process will be conducted. Rest assured our readers will know about those sessions well in advance.

If you can't attend a meeting but want to weigh in on a topic, you can complete a questionnaire online at www.mndnr.gov/hunting starting next Thursday, Feb. 23.

You also can file comments via email at wildlife.dnr@state.mn.us or send written comments to: Season comments, DNR Section of Wildlife, 500 Lafayette Road, St. Paul, MN 55155-4007.

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If you can't attend a meeting but want to weigh in on a topic, you can complete a questionnaire online at www.mndnr.gov/hunting starting next Thursday, Feb. 23.

You also can file comments via email at wildlife.dnr@state.mn.us or send written comments to: Season comments, DNR Section of Wildlife, 500 Lafayette Road, St. Paul, MN 55155-4007.


Just got in from a DNR Input meeting. I was surprised there were not more trappers present. Not surprised that there was only 1 other houndsmen there.

The trappers there as well as the DNR officials, were not fans of the 220 conibear. One seasoned trapper was very outspoken about the need for change and restricting the 220.

DNR officials were not optimistic about banning 220s on public ground, I heard one say "It will never happen", but it sounded as if the DNR is preparing to pitch some regulations to the MTA that would put MN's conibear regs more in line with Michigans requiring 5ft elevated, underwater, or cubby set boxes.

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DNR officials were not optimistic about banning 220s on public ground, I heard one say "It will never happen", but it sounded as if the DNR is preparing to pitch some regulations to the MTA that would put MN's conibear regs more in line with Michigans requiring 5ft elevated, underwater, or cubby set boxes.

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I agree and disagree. I have no love for the 220 and would be forever grateful to see them outright banned, but I agree that we need to find a compromise at the very least.

I'm actually surprised 220s aren't banned. The DNR is not in favor of them. Most trappers are not in favor of them and no hunting dog owners are in favor of them. MTA represents less the 50% of the licensed trappers in the state. It just goes to show the influence that organization has. The DNR really tip toes around them and does whatever they can do to appease them.

I'm concerned with them wanting to open snaring in the farmland zone in October as well. I've always been told snares were to target fox and coyote, but fox and coyote aren't prime in Oct / Nov. They'll be targeting coon with them. They need to keep them as is with a Dec 1st opener or we'll simply be trading conibear catches for snare catches. Snares might be a little better, but neither are good.

At the very least I hope folks can email they're comments and concerns and fill out the on-line survey.

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Wich I agree with 100% what everybody needs to look at is if you push hard enough against a bull when he pushes back its gonna be alot harder push,the trappers are the bull and were out numbered BIG TIME theyve proven to be able to get there way,lets be reasonable,banning 220s aint never gonna happen,lets try to regulate them atleast.

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I'm sure Jim Hill has already informed everyone but just in case he hasn't.... the DNR Input meetings start this week...

Posted: Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:00 pm | Updated: 2:57 pm, Fri Feb 17, 2012.

By Rob Drieslein

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The DNR announced this week that it's seeking citizen input on three hunting and trapping issues at a series of five meetings beginning this coming Thursday. The proposals are:

• Requiring non-toxic shot for rail and snipe hunting.

• Adding a third waterfowl zone in southern Minnesota.

• Allowing snaring to begin earlier on private property in the farmland zone.

All three topics should generate some quality discussion and debate, and I worry – given the timing of the announcement – that readers of the print version of Outdoor News will miss the Winona meeting. Given that the third waterfowl zone will probably directly affect Mississippi River hunters, I really wish we could have given them some background and a heads-up about this meeting. Here's hoping they read this blog.

Anyway, the meeting dates are:

• Thursday, Feb. 23,Tandeski Center, 1200 Storr's Pond Road, Winona.

• Tuesday, Feb. 28, Highland Middle School, 801 Central Ave. N., Crookston.

• Thursday, March 8, Nicollet Conservation Club, 46045 471st Lane, Nicollet.

• Thursday, March 8, Mille Lacs Energy, 36559 U.S. Highway 169, Aitkin.

• Thursday, March 15, DNR Headquarters, 500 Lafayette Road, St. Paul.

Meetings will be from 7-9 p.m.

A DNR press release says that if the Legislature approves and the governor signs a bill authorizing a wolf hunting and trapping season, a separate public input process will be conducted. Rest assured our readers will know about those sessions well in advance.

If you can't attend a meeting but want to weigh in on a topic, you can complete a questionnaire online at www.mndnr.gov/hunting starting next Thursday, Feb. 23.

You also can file comments via email at wildlife.dnr@state.mn.us or send written comments to: Season comments, DNR Section of Wildlife, 500 Lafayette Road, St. Paul, MN 55155-4007.

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I agree and disagree. I have no love for the 220 and would be forever grateful to see them outright banned, but I agree that we need to find a compromise at the very least.

I'm actually surprised 220s aren't banned. The DNR is not in favor of them. Most trappers are not in favor of them and no hunting dog owners are in favor of them. MTA represents less the 50% of the licensed trappers in the state. It just goes to show the influence that organization has. The DNR really tip toes around them and does whatever they can do to appease them.

I'm concerned with them wanting to open snaring in the farmland zone in October as well. I've always been told snares were to target fox and coyote, but fox and coyote aren't prime in Oct / Nov. They'll be targeting coon with them. They need to keep them as is with a Dec 1st opener or we'll simply be trading conibear catches for snare catches. Snares might be a little better, but neither are good.

At the very least I hope folks can email they're comments and concerns and fill out the on-line survey.

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Maybe we should write our own bill, find a sponsor and move it forward? Too late for this year, but if we start working on it and trappers get wind of it they might want to compromise preemptively?

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lol yup alot of talk , but i guess you are the spokesmen for all minnesota coon hunters , who are you trying to help yourself or the minnesota coon hunters assoc?? are you even a memeber of of the state assoc anymore????? some dogs get killed by cars should we banned people from driving cars during the night hunts so dogs are safer???? this is just something we have always had to deal with ,if i see traps where i hunt i just leave ,its common sence i think !!!!! everytime we unsnap our dogs it my be the last time we see them ,thats a chance we take, guess my point in all is if we push to hard there going to pass something else to take more of our hunting rights away from us, like they did a few years ago when they put a season back on coon !!

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guess my point in all is if we push to hard there going to pass something else to take more of our hunting rights away from us, like they did a few years ago when they put a season back on coon !!

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I never figured Jim Hill was one to run and hide from a bully...Guess I was wrong.

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Per Joe Albert’s legislative roundup (Page 1) a bill exists to limit where trappers could use 220 Conibear traps. Do you support the legislation?
Per Joe Albert’s legislative roundup (Page 1) a bill exists to limit where trappers could use 220 Conibear traps. Do you support the legislation?


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4 comments:
Skyjacker posted at 6:01 pm on Mon, Feb 20, 2012.
Posts: 5 mntrapper, I will be the first to agree with you that "slob houndsmen" do exist. Personally, I'd be happy to have the harvest season end Dec 31st.... that makes too much sense. You know your MTA would never allow such a thing. Look at this year, Fur buyers were telling eveyone to stop harvesting fur at that time because the hides looked poor and the market was dropping, but the last 2 weeks with warmer weather there are trappers putting they're lines back out. Anything for a $1 I guess. Most houndsmen I know, quit harvesting by Dec 31st.
A majority of those "slob houndsmen" out there "trespassing" are actually following the law to retrieve they're hounds after straying onto property where they shouldn't be. Most houndsmen now days are using $600-1500 tracking equipment including the GPS systems that are extremely helpful in not only preventing a dog from accessing property they're not welcomed but able to help get them retrieved more quickly when it does happen.
"Trappers always giving up rights" that's comical. Houndsmen aren't the group with lobbyists and closed door meetings with the DNR pushing they're own self interests. This debate wasn't started by a houndsmen, it was started by a trapper. I'd be willing to bet there are as many trappers using non-legal road ditch 220 sets than there is houndsmen that turn loose with the intent to trespass. In this day and age with trail cams and deer leases, do you really think there are that many houndsmen intentionally trespassing? The majority of houndsmen I know pursue game with hounds because they enjoy the serenity of the woods and music of a hound giving chase and the game between dog and game of who can out smart who. In this day and age, most houndsmen are using whatever equipment is available to keep they're hounds safe and in the realm of control..... often because there is a crazed deer hunter that has a lease in every section or some slob trapper setting 220s in the mouth of a den or culvert near every road.

Log In to report.Link read more (about 18 more lines) .mntrapper posted at 8:20 pm on Wed, Feb 15, 2012.
Posts: 3 also, what about slob houndsmen who trespass all the time, night after night? should we elliminate the tool they use (hounds) so dont see hounds and their owners on my trail cameras on posted private lands?

Log In to report.Link .mntrapper posted at 8:18 pm on Wed, Feb 15, 2012.
Posts: 3 And houndsmen are only hurting themselves by acting like infants on everywebsite they can go on.

How about this. no small game after dec 31, no hound hunting after dec 31, and you can only use baited dryland 220's from jan 1 till close of season? You willing to give up anything or do the trappers always have to be the ones giving up rights?

Log In to report.Link .Skyjacker posted at 10:56 am on Tue, Feb 14, 2012.
Posts: 5 I grew up the grandson of a trapper who trapped for a living in the late 60's-early 70's. I also grew up the son of a houndsmen and although I dabbled with trapping as a kid, I've been a houndsmen since I could walk. I've been active in houndsmen organizations for nearly 20 years. The single most divisive issue amongst houndsmen and trappers is the current regulations of the 220 body grip trap.
I would have liked to thing the MTA would have pushed for this regulation instead of opposing it. MTA is only hurting themselves with they're attempts to positively spin the 220 conibear trap with they're video links and inserts in the DNR regs. It is the slob trappers using the 220's giving them a bad name, instead of using arrogance and ignorance to justify the use, they should eliminate the tool that the slob trappers are using. Look at WI, twice as many sporting dogs afield (if not more) than MN yet less




Here ya go this is all stuff Trappers have started possing about us coon hunters since we all have been contacting the DNR about this................................................Yup its making us look awesome isnt it

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I believe I just said what i have to say Jim.

Im not trying to piss in your cheerios here, but just what was it we did to the trappers to get the coon season imposed on us a few years ago?

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Josh if you dont think they have more pull then us in this state you are wrong man , i went to several meetings at DNR right down the road from me in st paul and was told other coon hunters were going to join me and guess what me there as a coon hunter by myself and about 15 trappers, so do you think they listen to anything i really had to say, and thats all the trappers talk about was how we shoot all these coon before they are prime and there should be a season back on them , and on and on and on, i was there man to hear it all and none of it was good for us

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Jim,

I plan to take advantage of MN State Coonhunters free membership dues in 2012 and plan to nominate you as President. You've contributed so much to this thread and your opinions have been very insightful. Thank you for sharing. Your ability to work well with others is unheralded. I think you'd be a fine candidate to lead MN State Coonhunters into the future.

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http://outdoornews.com/minnesota/po...19bb2963f4.html

the trappers have been posting alot of content about us hound hunters. above is a link to a small dose of it.

if we are going to fight something like this it would be wise to begin a relationship with the larger dog groups and let them do the heavy lifting. We seem to be the target of the rants and raves of the trappers.

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Thanks for sharing this link here at http://www.ukcdogs.com

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The link you posted is the same as the stuff Jim Hill posted.

It is a back forth between 1 houndsmen and 1 trapper.

The trappers, bird dog folks and DNR officials I've spoken to all agreed that the time has come to do something about restricting the 220s.

We are not in as much of a minority as some of you think. We as houndsmen were already the target of the MTA's frustration before a houndsmen ever commented on anything publicly. I agree that we need to let the other dog owners do the heavy lifting, but I don't think we're ready to play that card yet.

We as houndsmen are in a minority compared to trappers, but as dog owners there are 2 million dog owners in the state of MN and 7000 licensed trappers of which only 3000 belong to the MTA.

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