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There seems to be a price range for everyone. Cheap to high. As far as breeding, most breed for the best dog to win with according to the rules. If you want to change what people breed for just change the rules.

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Tully, well said...


I firmly believe more dogs are ruined and never given the proper chance than the number of dogs that "just don't have what it takes".

Yep, it takes a heck of a dog to be true head turner and win big consistently etc....but, it don't take nothin special to win locally and get titles...it takes a coon dog...but, don't gotta be a super dog...and if the dog got the instinct to tree, I believe there's a reallllly good chance of it making atleast a mediocre coondog...I can teach a poodle to scent trail...breaking dogs is also easy enough most the time....so if they tree and will stay treed, there's real hope imo....


Guys that will pay 500$+ for a pup are lookin for good dogs and will put the time and training in to give that dog a fair chance...

My trackman litter is "competition bred" as id say...I want them to goto competition hunters...I want them to get a fair chance...the breeding is there imo...I wanna see the results...and, when buying/breeding to dogs like trackman, etc..all the famous well known big name dogs, I feel you owe it to the breeders and to the dam and sire and ancestors to give the dog the absolute best shot at being titled....giving the dogs the titles they deserve and comparing my dog to others and seeing what is out there is why I competition hunt....I feel obligated to get the dog I'm running the highest title it can get on its own.....

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with the percentage of coonhound pups that actually end up being a decent dog. it's no wonder folks don't want to pay high pup prices. the folks who have been successful may be able to ask more. but overall the common man and breeder isn't gonna get more than a couple hundred dollars. that is if they are lucky and don't have to give them away. heck the common man with a grand nite has to give free stud fees. but you can't fault the serious folks. most put in the time and money to make something that people want. like a winner. can't expect them to give away their hard work and time.

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If somebody wants something to tree coons with, that's not expensive. Seen plenty of free dogs and mixed bred, even non coonhound breeds tree coons.

I have hunted pheseant with malinois that would put most spaniels to shame.

BUT, if you want something bred to hunt coon and has a long history of reproducing the like, and able to compete for titles...that doesn't come for free.

Anybody who has seen a litter of cookie cutter puppies that look, act, and hunt similar to where you can close your eyes and just pick one appreciates all that goes into it. Any ol idiot can put a male with a bitch in heat and end up with puppies.

But, there are those who have put decades into research and experience almost cloning a type that is consistant. This bloodline is too tree happy, that one too hot nosed, the other are strong track, etc. There are people out there who are looking for the consistancy in such lines, which is why they are popular.

No dog or bloodline is perfect.

I asked a bear hunter when I was a kid why he chose reg dogs over the mixed bred and grade dogs. His response was he liked the cookie cutter breeding his dogs were from. They all hunted well together and were equally yoked. He didn't have to guess how big/small they would be, if they would hunt, and that there was a better chance of reproducing the characteristics and likeness he depended on. That if he needed a little fix, he knew what bloodlines to pull from.

That guy made a killing off those dogs and made the bloodline popular, even though he did not start it. He got in with a good line, in his mind, and benefitted in the years put forth by the person who started it all. He stuck with the breeding program as designed and continued producing quality dogs by his standards for his type of hunting.

Growing up watching dogs being bred just because they hunted and seeing all the culling that went on and not being able to afford $50 pups that just didn't turn out I decided to save the $ and get a guaranteed reg pup. I have not looked back. It worked for me having a 5% cull rate vs the 50-70 that just didn't fit the bill.

If somebody just throws 2 dogs together, that is not worth the same as somebody who has put decades into what he hunts and breeds.

Yes, there are even those who have mixed bred hounds that developed to produce very similar and equally yoked dogs after decades of selective breeding. But most just throw 2 dogs together and hooe for the best.

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It's not cheap to raise pups. I have 2 litters on the ground with a total of 10 pups. I am keeping 2 possibly 3. I owe 4th to someone. So that's 6 pups to sell. I ask $400. I have over $1500 into these pups. That's shots, microchips, worming, papers, and one of the Mom's had a C-section. I luckily didn't pay a Stud fee because I own the male. This doesn't include he price of feed, at $40 for a 30# bag of puppy food the Mom's have been sucking down for a month and the pups will eat for the next 9 weeks.... I am just barely going to make a profit of the price of one pup by time this is all said and done. And I DO guarantee my pups!

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I wont pay anything for a pup, Its foolish, when You can usually find a grown hound to train.
It cost too much to raise a pup, and its too much of a gamble when there are so many people that raise them and never hunt them.
Look around, and you will find well bred hounds that have spent their whole life on a chain, or in a pen, in many cases you can pick them up for very little, and there is nothing wrong with them.

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It doesn't matter what you charge for a pup there will always be people who say that is to high of a price. If you ask 100 they will ask for it cheaper and if you ask 5 someone will ask you to give them one. If you want what is popular you will most of the time pay for it, just like everything else in life. There are plenty of cheap and even some free pups out there. If I could sell a pup for 1000 and the person that buys the pup is happy with the pup then who cares what someone else says.

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Registered: Mar 2012
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looks like five hundred pluse is the new thousand dollar pups. really why folks care about prices. you either buy or you don't. seems like everyone seems entitled. and tell others what they should sell pups for. it's like obama and his redistribution theories. i can't afford it so someone make them give it to me. i am so special.

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There are a lot of interesting opinions on this topic...and you know what they say about opinions...this is just mine. It's not just about getting your money back to cover raising the pup. It costs quite a bit of cash to have coondogs and hunt them (gas, time, feed, vet, vaccines, medical expenses, feed, quality housing, entry fees, and I'm sure tons else that I am overlooking at the moment), and that's just to own A dog. If that dog has puppies you have additional expenses (possibly a couple vet visits, vitamins, higher quality food, milk replacement, stud fees, travel, puppy food, extra time caring for pups, and if you get a pup from a quality person they'll work with the pups before you even getting them). Yes, I agree, on the surface it looks like prices for pups is crazy, but when you get right down to it, a pup out of a quality line with a good reputation, from someone who has taken exceptional care of their momma and them, who has infested countless hours, is well worth it, and if you think about it, is probably worth a lot more. I agree with those that have said its a risky investment, but any dog is a risky investment.

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there is nothing wrong with high dollar pups its the idiots that keep buying them thats why they keep selling them i have a litter of pups due april 21 i promise they will tree coon 150$ 304 695 9393

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there is nothing wrong with high dollar pups its the idiots that keep buying them thats why they keep selling them i have a litter of pups due april 21 i promise they will tree coon 150$ 304 695 9393

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Another thing to point out is people who really get out there and put effort into putting titles on dogs....don't usually pay the high $$.

I know a lot of people in many venues who are often given pups free or discounted. Those who breed for comp will often cut prices or give a pup away to get it in the hands of somebody who will title it to full potential.

Breeders also work together and exchange pups from time to time.

I know I rather have one of my best pups in a comp home than the $ a pet person is willing to spend to do nothing w it.

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I just got back into hounds after 25 year layoff.I have found that prices have not changed much on pups since the late 70s -early 80s. The fur prices were high and any thing that would bark at the dark sky were selling for 1-2 thousand.Good bred pups were selling for about the same as today.Dogs or pups are worth what you want to pay.I just bought a well bred pup from some dedicated folks who lived close (2 hrs.) They fed him for five months,worked with him,cleaned up after him and he came with a complete work up by a vet. I feel for 250.00 I paid a vet bill and got a very nice young dog for free.

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Another thing to point out is people who really get out there and put effort into putting titles on dogs....don't usually pay the high $$.

I know a lot of people in many venues who are often given pups free or discounted. Those who breed for comp will often cut prices or give a pup away to get it in the hands of somebody who will title it to full potential.

Breeders also work together and exchange pups from time to time.

I know I rather have one of my best pups in a comp home than the $ a pet person is willing to spend to do nothing w it.

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