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Originally posted by Justin Smith
Are you sure that last post is your final answer ?

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There's never a final answer on these debates.

My biggest concern in it is seeing people withdraw and go home after 20 minutes of hunt time used and down a couple of coons. Alot of people are already doing that without the 125 point/ countdown.... I don't like seeing cast left out with just one or two dogs and 90 minutes laft to hunt alone ,,, and I think that might increase with this change as written in the proposal...

Come back next year with better wording and I'm probably on board....

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Well , I hate to cator to the quitters .... I've love to see every peddler , quitter and spoiled sport leave the coonhunting/hunting world for good ...

.. Everyone wants a tough hound , but they don't want to be tough themselves ... if they don't wanna stick it out or at least stay with the cast and help vote ... then to h#ll with em' ...


.. if you're right , that's just more reason for me to like the 125 point rule and we can have a party when we tree and another party every time a sissy withdrawels ...

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Originally posted by longshot
There's never a final answer on these debates.

My biggest concern in it is seeing people withdraw and go home after 20 minutes of hunt time used and down a couple of coons. Alot of people are already doing that without the 125 point/ countdown.... I don't like seeing cast left out with just one or two dogs and 90 minutes laft to hunt alone ,,, and I think that might increase with this change as written in the proposal...

Come back next year with better wording and I'm probably on board....

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sounds to me like Justin has been getting beat by to many me too dogs lol

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how the heck do you get beat by a me to dog.

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To me it isn't about me-too dogs or who is winning or what is winning. I just don't feel that a dog showing up 3 minutes after the coon is treed deserves 75 points. What did a dog that gets there 3-4:59 after the first dog do to earn 75 points?

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Originally posted by JiM
To me it isn't about me-too dogs or who is winning or what is winning. I just don't feel that a dog showing up 3 minutes after the coon is treed deserves 75 points. What did a dog that gets there 3-4:59 after the first dog do to earn 75 points?

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It didn't do a da!< thing! Let's face it we know it they know it fact is they won't put the time it takes into making an indapendent first tree conn treer.

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Originally posted by fullhouse
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Originally posted by JiM
To me it isn't about me-too dogs or who is winning or what is winning. I just don't feel that a dog showing up 3 minutes after the coon is treed deserves 75 points. What did a dog that gets there 3-4:59 after the first dog do to earn 75 points?

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It'd be nice just to have them simplified and organized better as Brogy stated! Also, count down would be great someday. I know people don't want the rules changed to be like other KC's, but I think a countdown would reward the coon treeing dog even more than just the lonely extra 25 points they get now. The whole scoring system for judging a dog should be looked at and revamped.

Current Scoring System:

Dog A: Honest strike and first tree dog doing all the work treeing 3 coons; 25+ 125+, 25+ 125+, 25+ 125+ = 450+

Dog B: Auto strike (carries mouth enough not to get minus) and 1st class cover dog; 100+ 75+, 100+ 75+, 100+ 75+ = 525+

Dog A is obviously a coondog and Dog B isn't but he can be a winner! Dog A did all the "real" work but isn't fairly rewarded because we are limited on how to judge a coondog in a nite hunt by the rules and scoring.

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gravedigger

it looks like to me you are hunting a silent dog.

i have had them and they beat the dog doing all the work to the tree every time.

just like in your example.

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Originally posted by GRAVEDIGGER
I think a countdown would reward the coon treeing dog even more than just the lonely extra 25 points they get now..

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By the way , 125 minus 75= 50 ''lonely'' points..

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It's called competition hunting .. if a dog doesn't have that competitive spirit .. then just enjoy him at home but don't try and change the rules to suit ..

.. these days , seems like in all sports we are trying to pamper everyone and promote that "everyone's a winner" attitude ... and prop up the quitters and the weaklings ..

Who cares if some folks withdraw , who cares if some dogs let another steal his tree ... who cares if some handlers wanna beat their dog and make him not cover ?

If you wanna be a counselor , maybe you can volunteer at the local homeless shelter or something and put your mothering instincts to use...

I don't competition hunt much , but I still want the best and I still know when a dog has spirit ...

.. An honest dog with spriit will learn to not let dogs steal his tree .. if that super dog is content with letting that happen , then he aint too super to me .

... an honest dog might get behind while working a track ... but he better learn to close the gaps and get back in the race .. if not , he aint got the spirit I want...

I like em' honest and accurate ... and all that old timey , pleasure hunter stuff .... but , that don't mean I like the flavor of milk from the hind tit ...

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I like em' honest and accurate ... and all that old timey , pleasure hunter stuff .... but , that don't mean I like the flavor of milk from the hind tit ... [/B][/QUOTE]

You forgot "quick" in your statement along with honest and accurate. Without that you will be another "me toooeeeerrrr".

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The call phone issue needs lots of clarification and possibly changes. The only time I have ever used one on a cast is to call a land owner and tell them I will be hunting their property-going to scratch me for that? I have a neighboring property owner that has hollered at me and fired a shot in the air. I sent him a letter and told him about coon hunting and left my cell # and told him to just call me if the hounds were close to his house and bothering him. Don't want me to answer that call? Many, like me, carry a cell and rarely use it, but there are times when it might be critical and we don't need to be scratching people for using them if it is not interfering with the cast. JMO.

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Had a feeling it wouldn;t be good to post the results without including any official clarifications to go with them. Especially, the cell phone issue. Wowsers.

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I think I'm beginning to see how this money-makin operation works! Let me know if I'm on the right track here:

A rule is written on the back of the card so hardly ANYONE can UNDERSTAND it. A question or complaint comes back to the MOH about a ruling on a particular situation. It is referenced to UKC. UKC says, "On such and such page of our $15 ADVISOR, it CLEARLY states..."

My question is, why can't it CLEARLY STATE on the back of the dang card?!?!?!?!?


Yup, I think everyone is starting to catch on after the 2010 rules meeting!!!

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we had a 80 yr old man on our cast last night. his wife called him 3 times checking on him. do you think any of us even thought about scratching him? hell no! and wouldn't even after this rule goes into effect. gotta use some common sense in these situations.

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Jim, I don't think it leaves any questions because of how it is worded:

No phones or any electronic device to be used to relay personal message transmissions and or play games, during any parts of the hunt with exception to reasonable situations that are approved by the judge.

Time outs are during part of the hunt and etc...

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By the way , 125 minus 75= 50 ''lonely'' points..

Only get 25 point "bonus". All the scores are in 25 point increments. The dog would naturally have at least 25 more points. The other 25 is the lonely points for getting the job done...lol. Putting the coon in the tree is the whole object! That is easily judged and what I look for in a dog. Putting the coon up before the other dogs. I guess I view a competition hunt as a "race" and the dog that is always first to the tree and with a coon looking down seems to me to be the best coon treer!

Let me put it this way. There's four of us pleasure hunting (Dog A-D) and Dog A puts 3 coons up our rears. You tell me which dog you would want and which one is the proverbial "coondog" out of the four?

I just don't believe a it's right that the dog who trees the coon first could hypothetically be outscored by another dog. Granted, the scoring system allows for many types of dogs to be able to win and not be what most would call coondogs. And, that is why you see posts on here saying that a dog having a title don't mean much, or GrNtCh's suck, or I hate babblers, or I hate me-tooers.

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why punish a second tree dog when no one wants to punish a tight mouth or even silent track dog it takes both to be a coon dog strike and tree

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You aren't hunting during timeout so I would think timeouts are not considered "part of the hunt".

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It's plain and simple, take a coon dog to the hunt and the rules are obsolete! Sure you may loose some cast to that cover dog, but 9 out of 10 times if you have the dog treeing the coons you will win! I dont know how I can explain it any easier.

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Mike Fields is right,, pack a good dog and alot of things will fall in place on their own...

This whole arguement about the countdown started with me explaining why I thought alot of people were not in favor of it as written in the current proposal. I laid out those arguements in detail in my past post in the previous pages above and I'll not review them again here.

Here's the thing though that nobody has addressed... If the information that I recieved is correct , the only YES vote came from the the Black and Tan guys and I hunt Black dogs.... It would seem to me that alot of you have some preaching to do amoungst your own breed families . WALKERS INCLUDED..

I don't really dwell on whether or not a countdown passes. I'm ready to go hunting either way. I can see pro's and con's to both sides of the issue , but I think alot of you are only seeing one side of it. JMO.... Continue to blast away , but I'm rather bored with it now and I'm going to the woods.

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