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Originally posted by Allen K
I have 7 dogs outside and all but 1 is crossbred. Most are 3/4 walker, 1/4 bluetick...... the only registered dog I have is walker and hes got more ticks on him then my crossbreds so go figure...........I'll always hunt crossbreds etc, whatever gets the job done in style.

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is it wrong no
would i do it no
my hounds suit me fine

rosie like i said before if your going to eat it go ahead your example of beef crosses is not a good example
my opion is in the beginning all sorts of crosses were made to better the breeding stock however over the years all breeds have come a long ways due to breeders efforts and now we have a good gene pool for future progress mt chosen breed is english now in the past some very good crosses with other breeds have played a big part in developing what we now have but my opion is to keep introducing other breeds is no longer needed and would be going backwards.
as there are excellant hounds around in all breeds if i don't like whats within my breed i will switch breeds

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The Walker/ Bluetick cross has been a favorite of breeders for many years- both above board and below. I have been told that in the 70's in some locations the pups were papered according to how they came out looking.

Dad use to say that exact thing. Thats the reason my dad never got into registered dogs. He said what the hells the point their all cross bred anyway. hehe He also said thats the only way to get a walker to tree a coon too but....
I've hunted with alot of excellant Bluetick/Walker dogs. Some of the best dogs I've ever seen were crossed this way. Now days I work with registered dogs. I don't know more out of a sence of worth I guess ?? But I still breed for performance. The "ONLY" way I breed a dog is if they Prove their self worthy. They gota be something special before even concidering it. The male and Female both have to be the best of the best in the woods. Kind of like. The wife likes Benching them. I won't let her even do that if they can't tree a coon first. Why show off a dog that doesn't prove it's self. No matter what color or how it's bred.

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27 years ago I crossed a Table rock Flying Hawk and Johnsons Banjo bred male over a sister to Bobs Columbo and got an overpowering great litter of pups that would all tree there own coon before a year old I was 12 years old and have tried purebreds ever since and have never come close to that first litter I raised. About 3 months ago I went down to Tenn. and hunted with the controversial Hardrock, Tam went to his pen opened the door and said " Rock get on the truck" The dog eased over to the truck jumped on the tailgate and stood there. Tam got his tracker walked over and put it on him, open the dog box and said get in , the dog got in. Tam never took a lead for ole Rock and he is as hard a hunting as POWERFUL a COONDOG as I have ever followed. He does exactly what Tam says. Never heard him bark in the Kennel. I have seen a few dogs as good " some purebred" NONE BETTER.

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What I don't understand is, if no one is satisfied with their breed of choice then how is crossing those breeds going to give everyone something their satisfied with????? Just a question that comes to mind when reading all of this nonsense.

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Warrior,
you kinda changed my whole out look on this with your % deal of cross breeding till there allmost pure then single registering. I also didnt think about the lap dog crosses that are registered. Since they allow that then that throughs my whole pure bred registery idea out the window.

What the show dog people dont relize is that hounds are game bred dogs who gives a dam about the show if you want to show a dog go pick a breed out of the companion group. Dont get me wrong how ever there is nothing wrong with showing a hound, but that shouldnt be the reason he's kept around.

I personaly dont see a need for it but who cares about needs if thats what a man wants to do let him. I'd own one and if this keeps up I'll take my TW out back and buy a Plott bitch to throw him on. He's dam sure a coon dog and is off a hell of a good cross, plus he could use some kill power he's lackin in that department.

Warrior since your the Sec of state and your nameing ambassadors, what do you have open for a FL plott man? Me and Ray used to give old Dave hell before Ray passed away. I wouldnt want to be an ambassader though cause there usually geeky f**kers. Maybe the Sec. of Defence and I'll call my pack of dogs Delta Force.

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that is from a line of dogs that tree coon, lion, bear and are track and tree dogs these dog track and tree coons from 10 degrees to very hot dry weather,and I'm sure if a person looks around ther are more registerd dog that dothe same ,Contests have made it easyer to run hotter nose hard tree dogs and win because they make fewer mistakes then the dog that grubs a track and the handler has more to understand about the dog.the more talent more to understand on a compition dog so that does make hotter nose hard treedog more attractive for hunts being most hunt are in pleasant weather ,but dogs with nose & talent can win hunts also.true most people breed for titles and don't breed for nose and tracking ability ,some states with a lot of coon and warmer weather don't need to have more tracking ability like up here it a must or your looking up bare trees a lot.last year i had a lion dog trainer work my dogs he had some of the finest breed hounds I have ever seen put together very well great track and tree dogs plenty of grit for big game but they were a mix of every breed of hound but he still had breeding inconsistantcy, and you have a hard time understanding the breeding on the line of dogs.That were regesterd dog tell you a history you look at a pedigree and if you study your breed and hunt with other line from your breed you can make good or better choices when breeding.that is the great thing in the walker line the gene pool is bigger.

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Why bother producing MUTTS? UKC supplies excellent pedigrees that are FULL of info about the ancestors of each breed - do your homework & don't mix the breeds unless you don't care about the NEXT generation of MUTTS that will end up being dumped in shelters, dog pounds and at the side of the road.

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GREAT POLL,JUST HOPE THAT IT GETS UKC ATTN.BLACK AND TANS ARE BEST WHEN THEY GOT WHITE IN THEIR CHEST.THAT WHITE PUTS A TRANSMISSION UNDER THEM.(OVER DRIVE)

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Why are they so much Cheaper, than the Full Blooded ones?

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Why are they so much Cheaper, than the Full Blooded ones?

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I think they should be allowed to be registered and to hunt in comp. They should have have their own "breed" such as crossdred black and Tan type Bluetick type and so on and after three generations of breeding to "pure stock receive pr status

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Originally posted by bearhunter
Nope Justin no English.Hes 1/2 walker 1/4 black & tan and 1/4 trigg hound.

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CHECK THIS OUT GUYS. TALKING ABOUT CROSS BREEDING. HARD TIME SPECK WAS MADE GR. NT. AS A WALKER THEN WHEN HE HAD TO BE REGISTERED AS AN ENGLISH, THEY MADE HIM DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN. ONLY DOG IN HISTORY TO MY KNOWLEDGE TO MAKE GR. NT. TWICE.

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HEY GOT CROSSBRED

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Ok will someone inform the unenlighted? What is NAADP?

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NOT ALLOWED AT DAVE'S PLACE

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CROSSBRED COMING SOON TO A DEALER NEAR YOU.

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My dogs are registered and papered and who cares what they go back to as long as they hunt, I've had good cross-bred dogs and good purebreds as you all call it hell none of us are purebreds why should our dogs be think about it, the Idians mixed with white settlers and the french and now everything else is coming to the usa and marrying to stay here just like back in the 1700 & 1800 so heres a ? for you are you purebred or just some mutt.

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I will give credit to any dog that can run and tree a coon and do a good job there is no question there the big question is will this crossbred (hybred) dog reproduce likeness of himself into future generations. There are many good examples of these crossbreds out there but after they where made they were crossed into a gene pool that was more specific example all walker or all english whatever the question is if you where to keep crossbreeding instead of this what would happen? I dont believe there would be much success! This by no means takes away from rock or any other cross bred dog but my opinion is that it is the wrong thing to do but since the majority of coonhunters seem to be more than willing to ride the band wagon then this problem probably will take generations to realize that it was a mistake. The guys who are on rocks wagon now will jump off and join the next big thing when hes gone and forget all about him , guys do your own thing be a leader not a follower!

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In thinking of beagles where any hound color is acceptable we are blessed to see a huge variety of colors in our rabbit dogs. Many have wondered how a crossbred registry would develop a set of standards. I suggest we follow the model provided by beagles.
Let's create a seventh "breed" or registry called AMERICAN COONHOUND. To single register a dog in this breed would require the dog to be out of a cross of two known/registered coonhounds of american descent (ie one of the other six). These dogs would be nothing more than the recompiling of the genetic materials that existed prior to our specialization of purebred breeding. There could be a return to breeding practices of the past that produced true country coondogs. The practice I am talking of is COONDOG X COONDOG not PAPER X PAPER.
Is this an answer to the old question of how to consistantly produce coondogs? No it is not. There is no magic formula for that, this would merely give honest experimenters a forum for their hounds. By this means we could have a breed with single registry better than the english. I could take my walkers into this breed and still keep them pure as long as I either breed to my own stock or to a pure walker(oxymoron?). But I would have the choice of breeding to ANY coonhound.
How do we address the corncerns of the pure blood breeders of these dogs being brought into their breeds. For one that is a concern of their own breed associations and not that of the american coonhound breeders and two by giving american coonhound breeders their own association they don't have to take their hounds elsewhere.
I for one would like to see this happen because I know that dogs don't have to be a certain color to tree a coon. When I look at old photos I wonder what happened to some of the color combinations that seem to have disappeared. This would be a way to bring it back. Many have said that the only difference between our hounds is their color. Well here is the perfect opportunity to add some color and maybe even add an eighth breed when one of these american coonhound breeders develops a new color combination that breeds true. The american coonhound could become the new english breed as a parent breed of other breeds.
One thing that I have not touched on is the possibility of adding other coondog blood in this breed namely cur. I am scared to even bring this up as it will open a huge can of worms. Leave it to the proposed breed association to resolve.

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I think there is nothing wrong with it just as long as you keep it in the coonhound breed. And register it crossbred not full blood (example) if I have a full blood Black gyp I dont want to breed it to a dog that is registered black and tan and supposedly full blood when in reality he is half walker. Thats what I dont like if I want to breed to a 1/2 black and tan and 1/2 walker then it should be registered crossbred so that I know thats what I am breeding too. I dont find anything wrong with the crossbreeding of coonhounds as long as they are registered crossbred.

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get more info on crossbreed go to akc .com general message forum.

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