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Location: il.
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Rip,
again agree with much of what you say, the upper class has seen growth, but decline of the middle class has much more to do with economic factors than with upward vertical social mobility to the upper class.... stratification is very-very powerful and often, actually most often has a very pronounced impact on the personal choices we all make... social facts are things that are beyond the individual that influence choices and have a coercive force on life choices, this is a general concept that does not say all will do x, but that far and away the most will...
do not believe any of us can be totally objective when judging social situations as our life experiences create an agenda, we may not always be aware of, that influnces how we see-view the world, the social fact concept in action... social class results from both achievement as in your personal situation and from ascription which we have no control over, simpy assigned to us, race-age-gender-ethnicity, parents social status, etc.... high class allows one to maximize ascription while lower counterpart minimizes it...
life chances are the opportunities to live long and well, life style is the manner that we are able to consume goods-services, they break along class position-have a great impact upon us....
still the good old USA is the best-greatest place to be, most opportunity period, just not the same level of it to all, some start near the top of the mountain, while others at the bottom which makes the climb much steeper and more difficult, but still possible...

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The 40 Republican senators currently in the Senate, all of whom are expected to filibuster a public option, received 44.2 million votes in their elections.
The 5 Democrats (Conrad, Baucus, Lincoln, Landrieu, and Nelson) who seem most likely to filibuster health care reform including a public option received 2.5 million votes in their elections.
The remaining 55 Senators (53 Dems plus Lieberman and Sanders), all of whom would likely vote for cloture on a reform plan including a public option, received 79.8 million votes (this includes votes cast for the Democratic predecessors in CO, NY, IL, and DE).
To recap:

Votes for seats held by GOP filibuster supporters: 44.2 million
Votes for seats held by Dems who may filibuster: 2.5 million
Votes for seats held by Dems who would support cloture: 79.8 million

Obviously, there's a ton of ways you can slice numbers, but this analysis yields a fairly salient factoid: nearly twice as many people voted for senators likely to support a healthcare reform than voted for a senator who is likely to thwart health care reform with a filibuster.

It is time to give the American people what they want. Are you with the people or are you with the corporations?

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Originally posted by truly
The 40 Republican senators currently in the Senate, all of whom are expected to filibuster a public option, received 44.2 million votes in their elections.
The 5 Democrats (Conrad, Baucus, Lincoln, Landrieu, and Nelson) who seem most likely to filibuster health care reform including a public option received 2.5 million votes in their elections.
The remaining 55 Senators (53 Dems plus Lieberman and Sanders), all of whom would likely vote for cloture on a reform plan including a public option, received 79.8 million votes (this includes votes cast for the Democratic predecessors in CO, NY, IL, and DE).
To recap:

Votes for seats held by GOP filibuster supporters: 44.2 million
Votes for seats held by Dems who may filibuster: 2.5 million
Votes for seats held by Dems who would support cloture: 79.8 million

Obviously, there's a ton of ways you can slice numbers, but this analysis yields a fairly salient factoid: nearly twice as many people voted for senators likely to support a healthcare reform than voted for a senator who is likely to thwart health care reform with a filibuster.

It is time to give the American people what they want. Are you with the people or are you with the corporations?

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ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND THAT WOULD VOTE WITH A FAKE, A FRAUD, A LIER, LIKE MR obama NEEDS TO BE _ _ _ _ __ _ __ _

HES GUNA PUT AMERICA COMPLETLEY UNDER MARK THOSE WORDS IN YOURE LITTLE BOOK ALL YOU IGNORANT ****** THAT THINK HE WAS THE ANSWER. NOT ONLY WAS HE THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT AMERICA NEEDED HE COMES OUT WITH A BRILLIANT HEALTH CARE PLAN... YEA BRILLIANT ALL RIGHT... THATS ALL THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN ..... FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE THAT HAVE NO HEALTH CARE KEEP HOLDING YOURE HANDS OUT CUZ NO MATTER WHAT THE COST AS A WHOLE COUNTRY IS CONSCERNED ALL YOU CARE ABOUT IS YOURSELF. GENERALLY SPEAKING AS A WHOLE THAT IS. he WANTS EVERYONE TO BE EQUALL WHEN IT COMES TO MONEY. WELL I GOT NEWS FOR HIM THAT GOES AGAINST EVERY PRINCIPAL THAT WE HAVE BEEN TAUGHT SINCE THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED. YOU GET WHAQT YOU WORK FOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHAME ON YOU ALL THAT AGREE WITH A SINGLE THING THAT THIS MAN PRESENTS. HIS INTENTIONS GO WAYYY DEEPER THEN WHAT YOU ALL THINK

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Location: western pa
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Originally posted by truly
The 40 Republican senators currently in the Senate, all of whom are expected to filibuster a public option, received 44.2 million votes in their elections.
The 5 Democrats (Conrad, Baucus, Lincoln, Landrieu, and Nelson) who seem most likely to filibuster health care reform including a public option received 2.5 million votes in their elections.
The remaining 55 Senators (53 Dems plus Lieberman and Sanders), all of whom would likely vote for cloture on a reform plan including a public option, received 79.8 million votes (this includes votes cast for the Democratic predecessors in CO, NY, IL, and DE).
To recap:

Votes for seats held by GOP filibuster supporters: 44.2 million
Votes for seats held by Dems who may filibuster: 2.5 million
Votes for seats held by Dems who would support cloture: 79.8 million

Obviously, there's a ton of ways you can slice numbers, but this analysis yields a fairly salient factoid: nearly twice as many people voted for senators likely to support a healthcare reform than voted for a senator who is likely to thwart health care reform with a filibuster.

It is time to give the American people what they want. Are you with the people or are you with the corporations?

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So you want Govt healthcare like Europe has??

Read the story from London.
http://www.thelondonpaper.com/thelo...e-flu-sufferers

A lottery sytem decides who get a flu vaccine.

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quote:

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Originally posted by truly
The 40 Republican senators currently in the Senate, all of whom are expected to filibuster a public option, received 44.2 million votes in their elections.
The 5 Democrats (Conrad, Baucus, Lincoln, Landrieu, and Nelson) who seem most likely to filibuster health care reform including a public option received 2.5 million votes in their elections.
The remaining 55 Senators (53 Dems plus Lieberman and Sanders), all of whom would likely vote for cloture on a reform plan including a public option, received 79.8 million votes (this includes votes cast for the Democratic predecessors in CO, NY, IL, and DE).
To recap:

Votes for seats held by GOP filibuster supporters: 44.2 million
Votes for seats held by Dems who may filibuster: 2.5 million
Votes for seats held by Dems who would support cloture: 79.8 million

Obviously, there's a ton of ways you can slice numbers, but this analysis yields a fairly salient factoid: nearly twice as many people voted for senators likely to support a healthcare reform than voted for a senator who is likely to thwart health care reform with a filibuster.

It is time to give the American people what they want. Are you with the people or are you with the corporations?

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an active-well financed minority ( big vested interest groups) have controlled an apathetic-unorganized majority, the citizen for many yrs. gov't. does the bidding of these high rollers who fund elections-perks-etc. at the expense of the people.... makes no difference if health insurance industry, automobiles, or lettuce, even chickens...., game is the same
a president has never ever raised revenue-taxes or spent a penny as this is the privy of the congress, especially the House, no doubt have an influence-but ultimate power here belongs to congress as the constitution directs....
no doubt that we 1st need to establish a health care system before it can be reformed, needs to be alternatives, there are options out there, non-profit co-ops. etc. in addition to the glutton health insurance industry and a public option, change will happen, needs to, hope not just be short sited and done for the rights reasons, not just to cowtow to the vested interest groups.... no doubt need tort reform, etc., but that is just one step in the ladder of health care.... lots of $$$ will change hands, just hope it benefits those it is spent to actually provide for not like some of the bailout $$$ that has gone to business that is too large to fail, maybe just too large than, lots of $$$ to these entities, but not a lot actually getting to the people who actually pay the bills, citizen taxpayer... need to put the needs of the people ahead of politics, hope this becomes a reality-not just a dream....

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