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I havent heard him say one word about free hand-outs, and I dont know of anyone that wants one.......Tim

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I still don't see where the McCain plan calls for taxing the employer portion of insurance.....someone point it out for me please....I may be stupid....I may be blind...

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this is probably the most important election, we hunters and gun owners will face..... the age old debate "the president can't take our guns" does not even come close to holding water this year..... for the 1st time, the most extreme liberal anti-gun candidate is very close to being elected president... our next president will appoint at least 3 (possibly as many as 5) SC judges and I will promise you, he will not appoint conservative judges (he will appoint judges that have his same extreme anti-2nd Amend. views).... liberal democraps already control congress and if they can get a few more liberal dem's elected to congress this yr they will have a filibuster proof majority..... as a hunter if that don't scare you, then something is wrong......

if obama is elected w/ a filibuster proof majority, gun rights & hunting privileges as we know them will be gone .....

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This is his site Didn't a lot of people scare us that Bill Clinton would take our guns and hunting rights away too? Instead we got 8 years of prosperity.

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Mr. McCain how many houses do you own?

Mr. McCain...ummmm lets see...ummm...ummm...huh can I get back with you?


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u got that chart off of obama's website... what did u expect it to show? that McCain's tax plan was better? LOL LOL

the only problem w/ ur chart, u didn't facter in bush's expired tax cuts.... yes that is right obama is going to let the Bush tax cuts expire and when they do McCain's figures on obama's chart is going to look darn good....... I guess in a way obama is not going to raise taxes on the lower level, he is just going to let Bush's cut expire..... I guess that way he can blame Bush for ur taxes going up & u obama zombies will believe it........

run the figures again and factor in the expired Bush tax cut (they'll expire in 2010) and show us what ur chart looks like then... I'll be waiting for ur post.......

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This is his site Didn't a lot of people scare us that Bill Clinton would take our guns and hunting rights away too? Instead we got 8 years of prosperity.

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davebastean...dont let these guys/gals worry you none. The wall street journal took a look at who's plan was the best. The end result was those that make $100,000.00 and less would fair better under obama. Those that made $100,000.00 and above would fair better under mcbush. I think I'll put more trust in the WSJ than a coonhound site.

I recall in 1991 rightwingers casting a certain candidate as a communist soviet sympathizer, gun grabber, whose economic program would ensure the demise of this great country. What happened when this candidate was elected? I forget. Oh thats right. We enjoyed the best economic times we will ever see again. Of course the cavefolks on this site blame the same person for the last 8 years of downhill bliss, instead of the actual person in charge from 00-08. Go figure that one...

Personally not a big fan of obama, and dislike mcbush three times as much. If the republicans had keep their mouths shut and said exactally what they were gonna do, I might have voted for mcbush. All the lies and propaganda they spread about obama turned me off and personally feel a slap in the face to the intelligence of the American people. When obama is elected tue, if he is, the republicans can blame one person and one person only. GW Bush for the flustercluck he created the last 8 years...

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exactly what CHANGE (for all Americans) is osama going to bring????? spell it out and be specific........

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u got that chart off of obama's website... what did u expect it to show? that McCain's tax plan was better? LOL LOL

the only problem w/ ur chart, u didn't facter in bush's expired tax cuts.... yes that is right obama is going to let the Bush tax cuts expire and when they do McCain's figures on obama's chart is going to look darn good....... I guess in a way obama is not going to raise taxes on the lower level, he is just going to let Bush's cut expire..... I guess that way he can blame Bush for ur taxes going up & u obama zombies will believe it........

run the figures again and factor in the expired Bush tax cut (they'll expire in 2010) and show us what ur chart looks like then... I'll be waiting for ur post.......
the circumstances were totally different when Clinton came in... he had a republican majority, so he couldn't take our guns......... by the way I voted for Clinton 1st term.......
what part of this do u NOT understand????????????? what do u think obama will do if he is elected w/ a filibuster proof majority? before u answer take a look at obama's voting record on 2nd Amend issues......

if this does not concern u then u r really not a hunter...... I've already heard from some of the obama moles that have come in here to spread the propaganda & try to sway hunters to drink the kool-aid

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This shows approximately a 4% cut across the board on McCain's plan. Sounds pretty fair to me. How is it fair to tax someone who has worked hard to make a good living and prosper so that we may give the money to 4th generation welfare?

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davebastean...dont let these guys/gals worry you none. The wall street journal took a look at who's plan was the best. The end result was those that make $100,000.00 and less would fair better under obama. Those that made $100,000.00 and above would fair better under mcbush. I think I'll put more trust in the WSJ than a coonhound site.

I recall in 1991 rightwingers casting a certain candidate as a communist soviet sympathizer, gun grabber, whose economic program would ensure the demise of this great country. What happened when this candidate was elected? I forget. Oh thats right. We enjoyed the best economic times we will ever see again. Of course the cavefolks on this site blame the same person for the last 8 years of downhill bliss, instead of the actual person in charge from 00-08. Go figure that one...

Personally not a big fan of obama, and dislike mcbush three times as much. If the republicans had keep their mouths shut and said exactally what they were gonna do, I might have voted for mcbush. All the lies and propaganda they spread about obama turned me off and personally feel a slap in the face to the intelligence of the American people. When obama is elected tue, if he is, the republicans can blame one person and one person only. GW Bush for the flustercluck he created the last 8 years...

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davebastean...dont let these guys/gals worry you none. The wall street journal took a look at who's plan was the best. The end result was those that make $100,000.00 and less would fair better under obama. Those that made $100,000.00 and above would fair better under mcbush. I think I'll put more trust in the WSJ than a coonhound site.

I recall in 1991 rightwingers casting a certain candidate as a communist soviet sympathizer, gun grabber, whose economic program would ensure the demise of this great country. What happened when this candidate was elected? I forget. Oh thats right. We enjoyed the best economic times we will ever see again. Of course the cavefolks on this site blame the same person for the last 8 years of downhill bliss, instead of the actual person in charge from 00-08. Go figure that one...

Personally not a big fan of obama, and dislike mcbush three times as much. If the republicans had keep their mouths shut and said exactally what they were gonna do, I might have voted for mcbush. All the lies and propaganda they spread about obama turned me off and personally feel a slap in the face to the intelligence of the American people. When obama is elected tue, if he is, the republicans can blame one person and one person only. GW Bush for the flustercluck he created the last 8 years...

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Those 8 years were years that Reagan had brought this country to...nothing slick willy did.....and for your info. the economy was already starting to go down when slick willy went out of office...so blow that smoke up someone that will listen....by the way are you an american, do you acknowledge the US Flag? Probably not if you are for nobama.........

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dave, I'm waiting for ur chart (the one that facters in the expired Bush tax cuts)......... I don't have to research, I remember the Clinton days well.... Bill had a demo congress for 2 yrs, the other 6 were under republicans......

knox, I'm waiting for ur specific answer (what is osama going to do)?

Wing, no that does not give a specific answer what ur man will do, but it is a typical liberal response......

dave, knox, wing,

do ya'll have any concerns about the posibility of obama being elected to office with a filibuster proof majority? if no, why not? or is that what u all are secretly hoping for???????????

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Mr. McCain how many houses do you own?

Mr. McCain...ummmm lets see...ummm...ummm...huh can I get back with you?


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A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others around her with liberal ideals, she was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth. She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his. One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school. Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying. Her father listened and then asked, 'How is your friend Audrey doing?' She replied, 'Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over.' Her wise father asked his daughter, 'Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA.' The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, 'That's a crazy idea, and how would that be fair! I've worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!'
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liberalcreek, I went and looked at your numbers and they are a bit wrong. Your numbers are fine if there are only two in the home and you dont have a house payment. This sight says if you make 30,000 and there are 3 in the home and if you owe 50,000 on your house you will get back 1424 under Obama and under McCain you get only 286. I think this is a big differnce. Your numbers will not work for most people as most people owe money on their home. Most people also have more than 2 people in the home. I would also think these number will go up if you save for ret. I dont care who people are voting for but I do think we should use real numbers when making a post like you did.

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if things we so great under clinton why didnt yall elect gore his VP for another 4 years and if things were so bad for the past 8 years why was bush in the white house for the past 4?


1 other question for the obama supporters, personally what have you done recently or currently doing to improve you skill sets and qualifications?

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if things we so great under clinton why didnt yall elect gore his VP for another 4 years and if things were so bad for the past 8 years why was bush in the white house for the past 4?


1 other question for the obama supporters, personally what have you done recently or currently doing to improve you skill sets and qualifications?

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You probably think Bush is a great president too. 43% of the Bush tax cuts went to the top 1% of rich people. At the same time we have had record defficits year after year, the gap between the rich and the poor has gotten progressively worse, poverty is worse, we have spent billions on a war based on false claims and healthcare costs continue to soar. McCain is a lot closer to Bush than is Obama. People can argue what is fair or not but the world Bush has created is not my idea of what America should be.

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According to the tax calculator on obama's own website, those numbers you give are not true.

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