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Man yall are hilarious!! The SEC non-conference schedule is a joke huh? Well lets just evaluate this year...we'll just look a a couple schools. OSU (Big 10) played Youngstown State. Tennessee (SEC) played Cal (ranked) on the road. OSU played another powerhouse in Akron. LSU played Virginia Tech. LSU beat them 48-7. Virginia Tech finished 3rd in the rankings by the way!! OSU played 2 ranked teams all year. Illinois and Wisconsin (13 & 18). They lost to Illinois and beat Wisconsin, which was missing their power-horse PJ Hill.

Another SEC team Arkansas played Texas a couple years in a row. Since they dropped Texas, they played USC, while Big 10 teams like Michigan plays DII schools like App State!! Now I'm no rocket scientist, but I know what conference gets my vote for the tough non-conference games.

By the way OSU or Big 10 fans, don't get your hopes up, LSU (SEC) and Hester will walk all over OSU. OSU don't stand a chance in hell!! They wouldn't stand a chance against a mediocre SEC team. LSU and Oklahoma would have been a better game than LSU and OSU!! Look for the outcome to be like the LSU vs Virginia Tech outcome!!

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here is arkansas's ooc schedule this year-
-north texas
-chattanooga
-troy
-florida intl

in 2006 usc beat ark 50 to 14
and in 2005 usc beat arkansas 70-17. are you sure you want to be bringing up arkansas?

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All Arkansas' opponents are **** sure better than App State, Youngstown State, and Akron!! 5 ranked teams is better than none that was played by the Big 10!! USC is in the Pac 10 not Big 10 so don't use the scores to your favor!! You missed the point too. We were talking about tough non-conference schedules not outcomes of the games. As for as the schedules go, I picked 3 teams to use as an example not just 1 or 2. It is hard to remember all the school's schedules so I could only use the games I remember. Which school do you want to use? I will use their schedule, and it will still be a tougher schedule than OSU, Michigan, or any other school in the Big 10. Hell we have some high school teams here in Texas that the Big 10 should schedule for their non-conference games. They would be more competition than some of their games.

There is no comparison at all!! The SEC is BY FAR the toughest conference in all of NCAA football, and no the Big 10 is not 2nd. And again, LSU will beat the hell out of OSU!!

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LSU's occ games for 2008. North Texas, Troy, and Tulane,,,,,, all at home.

UGA's OCC 2008:
Georgia Southern Eagles
Central Michigan Chippewas
Arizona State Sun Devils

I would guess that APP state could hang with the powerhouses the Eagles and the Chippewas.

I would look up Florida, but they never play an occ game outside of FLA.

tOSU plays USC at USC in 08. USC at home in 09. Cryami FLor-i-duh in 2010.

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All Arkansas' opponents are **** sure better than App State, Youngstown State, and Akron!! 5 ranked teams is better than none that was played by the Big 10!! USC is in the Pac 10 not Big 10 so don't use the scores to your favor!! You missed the point too. We were talking about tough non-conference schedules not outcomes of the games. As for as the schedules go, I picked 3 teams to use as an example not just 1 or 2. It is hard to remember all the school's schedules so I could only use the games I remember. Which school do you want to use? I will use their schedule, and it will still be a tougher schedule than OSU, Michigan, or any other school in the Big 10. Hell we have some high school teams here in Texas that the Big 10 should schedule for their non-conference games. They would be more competition than some of their games.

There is no comparison at all!! The SEC is BY FAR the toughest conference in all of NCAA football, and no the Big 10 is not 2nd. And again, LSU will beat the hell out of OSU!!

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KANSAS or HAWAII, the only ranked teams that they played, well kansas was the only one to play them and that was kansas state and missouri! You seen what happened to MIZZOU---they ran into them SOONERS, again! i would love to see OU play KANSAS, it would not be pretty, and HAWAII has not played anybody at all they are not a top 10 team in my opinion, you put them up against OSU, LSU, OU, UGA, USC, or any other top 10 team and will get beat down!!!!

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Yall are using 1 school...OSU...I used LSU, Ark, and Tenn. If I was scheduling games for a school that plays in the SEC, I would schedule the weakest opponents I could find b/c you are going to play ranked teams in your conference all year. If you're the best team in the SEC, you're bound to lose 1 game due to the competion. Overall though, the SEC's schools play just as tough non-conference schedules as the other conferences and schools. No school is going to schedule multiple power-house football schools due to the way the BCS is ran.

I know OSU has played good teams for the non-conference games in the PAST and might have them scheduled for 08, but this year, they don't have any competitive wins on their resume.

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josh here is arkansas's 2007 ooc schedule, great job using them to prove your point. if you one of the above posts, i actually listed every sec teams non-conf scheduels

-north texas
-chattanooga
-troy
-florida intl

the sec gets a huge benefit from the toughness of their conference because if a 1 loss team gets into the natl title game its usually from the sec. the other conferences usually dont have any margin for error, i.e a 2 loss lsu team goes over 1 loss kansas .

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Rance56, go back and read it all over again. My point was proven when I mentioned the 1st team (Tenn) playing a non-conference game against a ranked opponent. You already mentioned the SEC played 5 RANKED teams. How many RANKED teams did the Big 10 play????????? Actually I used LSU and Tennessee to tell my side. In a DIFFERENT paragraph, I mentioned Arkansas playing TX and USC in PREVIOUS years. Hell Kansas can't get in b/c they didn't win their conference championship!! You have showed Arkansas' schedule twice now that I have seen. I can tell you the scores to those games. I know who they played. Now since you want to keep talking about that particular schedule:
1. Is Youngstown State better than any or them?
2. Is App State better than any of them?

We are talking conferences OVERALL not individual teams in that conference.

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it doesnt really matter cause the two teams with the best record wont be playing

and as far as ranked teams in conference the big ten had osu, illni, penn st, wi, mich, purdue, and i think iowa

now that doesnt meen that they are all top teams but at one point the above teams were ranked

how many sec schools held a ranking durning the year

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who cares about the big 10 and sec, the BIG 12 has 3 teams in the top 10, the big 10 only 3 in the top 25!!

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Rance56, go back and read it all over again. My point was proven when I mentioned the 1st team (Tenn) playing a non-conference game against a ranked opponent. You already mentioned the SEC played 5 RANKED teams. How many RANKED teams did the Big 10 play????????? Actually I used LSU and Tennessee to tell my side. In a DIFFERENT paragraph, I mentioned Arkansas playing TX and USC in PREVIOUS years. Hell Kansas can't get in b/c they didn't win their conference championship!! You have showed Arkansas' schedule twice now that I have seen. I can tell you the scores to those games. I know who they played. Now since you want to keep talking about that particular schedule:
1. Is Youngstown State better than any or them?
2. Is App State better than any of them?

We are talking conferences OVERALL not individual teams in that conference.

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Floridas 2008 schedule

Sat Apr 12 Spring Orange and Blue Game Gainesville, FL --


Sat Aug 30 Hawaii Gainesville, FL TBA --
Sat Sep 6 Miami (Fla.) Gainesville, FL TBA --
Sat Sep 20 at Tennessee Knoxville, TN TBA --
Sat Sep 27 Ole Miss Gainesville, FL TBA --
Sat Oct 4 at Arkansas Fayetteville, AR TBA --
Sat Oct 11 LSU Gainesville, FL TBA --
Sat Oct 25 Kentucky (HC) Gainesville, FL TBA --
Sat Nov 1 Georgia Jacksonville, FL TBA --
Sat Nov 8 at Vanderbilt Nashville, TN TBA --
Sat Nov 15 South Carolina Gainesville, FL TBA --
Sat Nov 22 Citadel Gainesville, FL TBA --
Sat Nov 29 at Florida State Tallahassee, FL TBA --

I'd like to see OSU play the above schedule

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Rance, I haven't bounced around yet. You said that the SEC has a weak non-conference schedule so I will ask again, how many ranked teams did the entire Big 10 play in their non-conference schedule?? Seems to me you just have a problem reading what is written and interpreting what you read...

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I cant believe u asked that. U asked how many SEC teams had a ranking this year??? Well, ur answer is 9. What other conference can touch that?

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Rance, I haven't bounced around yet. You said that the SEC has a weak non-conference schedule so I will ask again, how many ranked teams did the entire Big 10 play in their non-conference schedule?? Seems to me you just have a problem reading what is written and interpreting what you read...

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We now agree completely...See not that impossible..

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I know this thread is about the LSU-Oh. game but I read & heard a startling stat. 70 % of the country thinks the BCS totally screwed up and did not get it right. Now that the emotions are out and the nerves are calmer, lets really look at this, I know there are more people than Oh. & La. fans that think this game is the right game.

Ohio- I think they should be in this game. They played 4 ranked teams and finished 11-1 even though the highest ranking team was #21

LSU- They are a 2 loss team in 3OT not regulation like the other teams with losses.The teams that beat LSU in OT are playing in bowl games with winning records.LSU played more ranked teams and beat more ranked teams than any other D1 A team in the entire USA, 2-#9 teams, 1- #12 team, 1-#14 team, 3-#17 teams, thats 7 ranked teams. LSU is their conference champions. I know it is not written but NO team should play for a national title if they can not win their OWN conference, period.

Vir. Tech- LSU beat them and they should not play above a team for the title that has beat them. They are a good team & played ranked teams and only lost to ranked teams.BCS bowl- Yes.

OK.- They lost to Col. a barely mediacore team at best.( 6-6). How can you justify them ahead of LSU with one of their losses coming from a team like that, despite how good they are playing at the end of the season. Do they belong in a BCS bowl, absolutely! Title game no.

GA.- A good team, yes, but they were beat soundly and badly by Tenn who LSU beat for the SEC title.and they lost to SC who LSU also beat. Do they belong in a BCS bowl game , I think so.

MO. They lost their conference, played a good schedule and the only losses come by the conference champs. They got the rawest deal by the bowl committees. They should be in the Orange for sure instead of Kansas, but title game,no.

USC.- They lost to a really weak team at home and altough they won their conference. They only played 3 teams that had winning records. Certainly you can not place them over LSU for the title game.

WV- Good team, yes. but they also lost to a loosing record team in Pitt. So you can not honestly place them over LSU either.

Hi.- Played only 1 ranked team all year, the rest garbage. It may not be their fault with the scheduling but it is what it is. BCS bowl bid , NO WAY!!!! Play some legit. teams and win, then yes.

Ks. Not no but, %#!* NO!!!!!! They played NO ranked teams until they played Mo. and got their butt handed to them. The score really did not reflect the whipping they got. They were truly way out classed by MO. BCS bowl, well I think you can read my mind on that one.

So after really looking at the teams that are 0-2 losses out there, who else should be playing in this title game other than LSU. I think the BCS hit it right! Not saying the bowl committees did it right. I am also not saying the top ten teams are not good teams but without a playoff I think this title game is as it should be. This is not an LSU fan view but it really is objective and I find it hard to believe there are people out there that think LSU does not deserve to be in this game with Oh. PLease don't crucify me but if there is an objective view why LSU should not be there I really would like to know.

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i still do not believe that you can justify that any of the 2 loss teams are any better than any of the others. who cares if LSU lost 2 games in overtime, they still lost, Virginia Tech lost to LSU early in the season and at the time #2 ranked Boston College, Oklahoma lost to colorado and texas tech, yes i no two unranked teams, tech is ranked 26 in the AP and the Harris poll, Georgia lost to LSU and South Carolina, my point is that every team in the top 5 has a bad loss to teams they should have beat, 3 of the teams got beat by UNRANKED opponents, i think there should be a playoff system through the BCS bowl games

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I agree a playoff is needed and the one that was suggested by Pat Forde on ESPN is a great one I think that would not interfere with the bowl system minimumlly. That is all 6 BCS conference champions and 2 at large teams voted by coaches or AP or total of both polls for an 8 team playoff. The idea of not having a 1-2 loss team in a title game is now by the way side with the parity in college football from the reduction in the number of scholarships for each school. The days of total dominance by one team is over.

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the only thing that will hurt a playoff system is a team that is unbeaten, they will have to play a couple of very tough games to get to the national championship,

how would this be for a playoff bracket with the bowl games in the playoff

BIG TEN CHAMP
ROSE BOWL
PAC TEN CHAMP

SEC CHAMP
SUGAR BOWL
ACC CHAMP

BIG 12 CHAMP
FIESTA BOWL
BIG EAST CHAMP

AT LARGE #1
ORANGE BOWL
AT LARGE #2

now i know this would make the schedule on some teams have 16 or 17 games, why not take a non conference game out and maybe 1 conference game

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This how Pat Forde suggested is to use the bowls like you mentioned but he did suggest to eliminate all conference chamionship games & use a tie breaking system if needed if a tie did occur within a conference and reduce the regular season to 11 games from 12.

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i think the conference championship games should be eliminated or all of the conferences should have one. if it were not for conference championships MISSOURI would be playing, then we would see OHIO ST. and USC get tested more, ohio st. had a cakewalk to the national championship this year, LSU had far from a cakewalk this year, but i still feel they are over rated, all i have heard is how great there defense is, i can recall a few times that they gave up 50+!!!

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They are much better against the run than the pass. They could be better against the pass but the Db of LSU had rather make the hard hit than block the pass. They have the speed to be much better than they are. If Ohio St. wins they will have to pass to do it and that is possible as they have had problems with a strong passing offense this year.

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Hope they don't play Ill. It won't be pretty when that linebacker tears them again. You talk about a defensive player determing the outcome of a game. Not sure about the name but OSU's quarterback and running backs will remember his name.

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