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Lee, if a five year old can't take the pressure of fighting a coon he's got no grit. To me that is the same as a one night wonder, looks good the first night but the second or third he's out of gas. I won't feed em.

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Let me ask yawl this and really stur the pot, would you rather the coon be alive or dead when he hits the ground, do you think it makes him a harder tree dog if the coon leave the tree running and he trees the coon again ?
Do you think it will cause him problems if you let him run a coon away from the tree ?
I know what i think about but what do yawl think

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I haven't put one coon out yet for either Angus and Kate and they are the best I've had so far. In fact, just the other morning, Angus trailed to catch and ran that sucker up a small tree to keep from getting caught. I don't think they need to get them at all. I've seen deer crazy dogs, but never did I see one catch one.

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Most fox dogs never catch a fox but they run it every time to catch and some will even tree the fox if he climbs , Lester nances first walker was a fox dog if i rememember right so thats a good argument about shotting the coons

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ray&Luie
Let me ask yawl this and really stur the pot, would you rather the coon be alive or dead when he hits the ground, do you think it makes him a harder tree dog if the coon leave the tree running and he trees the coon again ?
Do you think it will cause him problems if you let him run a coon away from the tree ?
I know what i think about but what do yawl think [/QUOTE


I prefer that the Coon hit the ground dead, I aim for the Head.
I use a Scoped .22. (When the Hound hears that Thud, of the Coon hitting the Ground, he knows without a shadow of a doubt, that he was right).
I do not Wound Game, intentionally, its unsportsmanlike, unethical, and disrespectfull to the animal your hunting.
It is your responsibility, to ensure that the Racoon, or whatever game your hunting does not suffer.

I will stir the pot even more, I do not train any hounds with Caged Coons, I do not own a Roling Cage, or a Coon Trap.
But thats just me, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

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Dead of course, but it don't always work out that way. I've gone to the hottest 22 loads I can get cause regular 22 loads were just under the skin on the skull when I skinned them out. It'll knock em out and out of the tree, but when they hit the ground they come to and it's on. I wish 22 mags were legal here, but they're not. Coon around here frequently exceed thirty pounds and my eyes aren't as young as they once were. Every dog I had was smart enough to figure out when the slide on the ruger was racked to listen for the thud when the coon hit the ground. If the dog don't want to tree cause a coon ran off he's too stupid to eat my feed.

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Iv hunted with some of the best Hounds man could ever want to hunt with and some of the hardest of tree dogs any one would want to be with , some of the most agrevating times iv ever been to a tree is when the coon comes out for what ever reason , some treeing idiot just wants to dig his paws that much farther into the bark, all the while the coon is long gone and nothing at the tree has enough sence to know it ""
Brains is a very big pluss in my book
Gettum there clean and fast ,tree hard when you get there and if he leaves go with him till he climbs again and tree him like hes the last one in the woods

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The grit that is most important to me is having enough to strike track and tree and have the meat and stay till I get there.

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an old dog shouldnt need coons to stay on top of their game. if they cant stay at their best with out having coons shot out to them then in my opinion they are not going to live at my house anyway. but my young dogs at least 5 or 6 a week until they are trained.

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Originally posted by Ray&Luie
Let me ask yawl this and really stur the pot, would you rather the coon be alive or dead when he hits the ground, do you think it makes him a harder tree dog if the coon leave the tree running and he trees the coon again ?
Do you think it will cause him problems if you let him run a coon away from the tree ?
I know what i think about but what do yawl think

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Yes, I have seen young dogs ruined by shooting the first coon/coons they tree out to them. Some young hounds get fired up; many are set back by having the first coon shot out to them. I've seen a young hound get torn up. The owner kept shooting them to him. Pretty soon he wondered why the pup would quit treeing when he saw the mans light. It took six months to get him corrected. I never shoot the first one they tree out. I believe it can take the focus off of what he just did. I've seen pups quit treeing. THey just sit at the tree and look up in the air waiting. The dogs that I train, that have treed many, many coons before every having one shot down usually grab the coon for a minute of two and then jump back on the tree and start treeing.
If dogs are used to a lot of coons, shooting them out does not cause any problems. If you start shooting them out to dogs that are not used to it, be prepared to do some training. They will start going back to trees and treeing offgame.

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Bandit hunter this dog won $15000 in pkc and ukc grntch. He was hunted 5 nites a week and then the weekend hunt. I promise you this dog had grit. Hunted in a heavy populated coon area. Ive seen several good dogs act crazy when coon were slayed out, and they werent used to that.

You can kill every coon you tree for all I care, but your not a real coon hunter till you can leave them up the tree. Thats what an old timer taught me once, it stuck with me.

Dont get me wrong, ive slayed coon out from time to time also, I think about every coonhunter has. Im not against killing them either, when the time is right, at the right age.

Just one question, why kill many coon out of season? except to a young dog coming on.

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Once a dog is tracking and treeing, I don't think they really need a coon anymore. In fact, I think it makes a good dog sloppy if given a lot of coon.

I like to give some to young starting dogs.

Also, some areas really do have too many coon & crops suffer. I feel obligated to shoot every coon in spots like that.

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Lee, I think you have a couple of misconceptions. If you would read my first post you would see I shot most of mine in the winter. I have a young dog right now that's driving me crazy with some of his antics. My son {who's a comp. hunter} says I need to shoot one out to him. I think I'll wait till kill season. As for your dogs winnings, well if comp. hunting is your thing have at it. When I buy a dog I avoid comp. dogs like plague, they have too may holes in them to suit me. To each his own. I've left twice as many this summer as I shot last winter, they are abundant here. One more thing, don't equate grit with the desire to hunt. They are two entirely different traits. The coon up here run large and my old bootick seems to specialize in the big ones and that suits me just fine.

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O the subject of if you want a coon to come out dead so it doesnt whip a young dog, use CB shorts and shoot them in the chest several times. They will bleed internally like a deer hit in the lungs with an arrow. They will stay in the tree until they are dead and then fall. If you use long rifles the shock can make them bale. The same thing can happen if you shoot them in the head, if you dont hit center they often bale mad as hell. An added bonus is that CBs are quiet and work better for some hounds that dont respond well to the crack of a rifle.

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Gbutler, I've never had issues with dogs that I trained being gunshy so that doesn't come into play. I wonder what you'd do if you had to shoot a coon off your dogs head in water deep enough to drown em? I'd still like to be able to use the 22 mag. if I could.

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like most anything else...everything should be in balance.

i will tell you if you can find a lady like Miss Jackie we have at church who will give you a big hug and be so excited when we bring her one, you'd shoot a couple more. she'll cook them up with sweet potatoes, and they are actually pretty good. but, like everything else...in balance. if i brought her one all the time, it wouldn't be special.

same for dogs....give them one every once in a while (unless training young dogs - they may need more). but rather than throw them in the ditch...find you a Miss Jackie.

Besides, there is also the saying, "If you shoot 'em all out tonight, what will you hunt tomorrow?"

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Well I eat my coons or give some away.Save the hides for training new dogs.....BUT a good coondog does not have to have far in its mouth. On average if my dogs tree 5 coons one will come home in the killin season.The off season is for pic's and vid's and a pat on the head......

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Hobo your right on..My dad ran fox hounds for years and the hounds very rarely got a fox but it didn't stop there desire for the chase...

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