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DCKASTEN, Now this fella sounds like a "real class" act! hahaha. Wonder if he is kin to Justin?? For the most part I have enjoyed following this post.

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One other thing, Iv never hunted with a cur but now i know what kind of people hunt them. This post started with a poll so that OBVIOUSLY there based on OPINIONS. rules are rules man if you cant take the truth then you shouldnt of started the post your ignorant idiots

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Trott, they wouldn't boost participation because more hound hunters would quit showing up than cur guys could replace.

Close hunting meat dogs like curs or some hounds aren't the kind of dogs to take to the hunts .... I don't like to leave my dog treed in some strange woods and go to some idiot Walkers that ran each other through the woods growling and finally got treed .. and you have to go to them first if they tree first and leave your dog ... a smart cur or hound is effected by that .

Nitehunts are for dummy dogs , a dog that wants to please you and hunt for you is gonna have a hard time understanding the rules and not being ruined for your pleasure hunts if he does.

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i pleasure hunt alot more then i comp. hunt. i bear hunt my curs but y would people stop coming if they want to stud there dog they will come. and most of the people i have talked to in the hunts i got to they like the idea it will get 1 or 2 more dogs in the hunts. and people like Dckasten and Justin are mad. todd and them will do what they think is right for every body!!! so stop crying you will get more dogs in some places and 1 or 2 in others.

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I read through your post twice and I believe that you just made a very good point as to why the Loepards SHOULD (not yelling just clarifying) hunt with the hounds. The way many competition hounds hunt is a great deviation from the original purpose of coondogs. Having said that, I believe that many people would enjoy comming to a hunt where there are more dogs that are treeing coon, hunting inside the 3/4 mile range and come in when you call them. Seems like there may have been more dogs of that class at some time in the past. That may have been what was responsible for the larger turnouts at the hunts in years gone by.

I am not under the impression that the current status quo can not change for the better and that's not to say that you are either. I'm just making a point that I hope many others will agree with.

Also, I do not advocate that the UKC just opens up the hound hunts to every breed of cur all at once. I think it should be done on a breed by breed basis. That is not to say that Loepards are the only breed of cur out there that should be let in. It is however the breed of cur that has the most credibility (by way of the aforementioned registration process).

When folks start talking about letting all of the curs hunt with the hounds is when you get arguments. If you were to speek only of the Leopards, you just wouldn't have an argument.

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Dan , most folks don't like the type of dog you are describing ...it's a contest to get deep and get treed with not much regard to coonhunting .

I enjoy a dog that hunts hard , but for me and has a picture of a little coon in his head when he leaves ... but with a colder nose and more track power than a cur.

But , for cur hunters ... you wont have much fun when the other dogs tree slick first and you have to go to them and leave your cur waiting and listening to their master and his buddies go to the other dogs .... you'll mess a good cur up like that just trying to prove a point to some houndsmen that don't even care to begin with.


Getum , I'm no mad ... I've hunted with curs .. I even have a cur beardog now ... I just would rather not misrepresent anything I have experienced...

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Whats the worse that can happen, getting beat by them? We have all been beat by worse than a cur that will tree its own coon.

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Also, I do not advocate that the UKC just opens up the hound hunts to every breed of cur all at once. I think it should be done on a breed by breed basis. That is not to say that Loepards are the only breed of cur out there that should be let in. It is however the breed of cur that has the most credibility (by way of the aforementioned registration process)

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To me if you could prove your dog was open or just enforce the silent rule it should not matter what breed of cur enters the hunt.

Here is what i prefer in a coondog. One that opens when needed, tight mouthed but does open, takes a track as he comes to them and does not quit. Coming back is not as important to me as it is that they take the first coon they come to and hunt a place out before moving on. I have a tracker and a truck and i can drive to them. I have a hound and a cur that fits the above standards. Most people have not hunted with a top cur, i will show mine anytime someone wants to come and hunt. There is better, no one needs to try to prove theirs as better than mine, i am sure there are many. What i can show someone is that the cur or hound i hunt can do what i described above. That is what is important to me because i am the only one they have to please. It just seems silly to not let a dog in the hunt that can meet all the standards except long tail and ears. JMO, Trott.

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I live in central Ohio. I have hunted leopards for over 30 years. I think it is safe to say I like them. Will they please everyone? What breed will? If anyone in my region would like the opportunity to hunt with a leopard I can arrange it. My dogs are just country coon dogs. nothing flashy. Mine have never been squirrel hunted. If some one is looking for an first time leopard hunt I would welcome the opportunity.

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This is a thread that is important to the cur hunters, we don't want this to get lost in the archives. Cur and hound hunters alike need to look this over and give it some thought. Post your opinions for everyone to view. Dan N

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i comp hunt a hound and i dont have a problem with the cur dog coming into the NH with the hounds

being get um's brother i like his little lep. cur and for the people that say curs are silent have never hunted with him...he is LOUD!!!! i have been hunting with a buch of dogs and i think he is one of the if not THE LOUDEST DOG i have ever heard...JMO

i think they sould let them in i might even sell my all grand walker to get another cur if the let them in...

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i have been hunting with a buch of dogs and i think he is one of the if not THE LOUDEST DOG i have ever heard...JMO

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'Ole Uncle Dave may have been rattling your cages, but go back and read his whole post. There is some truth in what he is saying

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#1) If U hunt cur v hound and do well, LOOK OUT! The Curs will be in mass production, breeding anything to anything

#2) If they don't do so well, LOOK OUT! cur breeders will start fixing the problem

look at the competition hounds. They are not bred to be the best coon dog. They are bred to be the best competition dog. They are bred for SPEED & TREE.....

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Looks like all its hair fell out.

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Curs dont stand a chance against a coondog in my opinion.Just thought I'd throw that out there!!!!!!!!!!

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It won't come down to a battle of witts.......that's for sure.

It does not matter if you (refering to all) think that you know what a cur is or does even if you do not.
It does not matter that one dog does not hunt like another. Most have seen dogs of just about every hunt style come in with a cast win.
It does not matter if you scared of, threatned by or honored to be in the woods with another dog whatever it may be.
What does matter is that the Leopards are, as a breed, in complete complience with every requirement that all of the other six hound breeds must meet in order to properly fit into the category of a coonhound.
If the Leopards were already one of the hound breeds, you would have a much, much more difficult time getting them switched over to the cur category.

Let's, once and for all, put the Leopards where they belong. Put them with the other dogs that strike & run open as a matter of course. Put them in with the rest of the hounds!

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i agree 100% with dan i bear hunt with a lepord breeder and we coon hunt every night after bear season and his dogs met everything a coondog should open ever breath i have never seen a silent lepord... i think they sould let them in the with hounds and just see how they do...on the other hand not talking aginst other curs but i know the black mouth for sure alot of them are silent mouth...if they can breed that out of um then let um in...

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hunt em together- enforce the rules we got now-


scratch em if they dont open on track--

shake their hand and congratulate them if they beat ya --

-clubs need every entrie they can get

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can you enter a coonhound w/ the squirrel dogs in a squirrel hunt?

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can you enter a coonhound w/ the squirrel dogs in a squirrel hunt?

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The same reason you normally do not turn out with house dogs.
I have turned out with curs a few times. I am tired of them yapping after the hounds and growly at the tree. Not interested
in hunting with them, having them near a good broke dog.

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personly mike most have been huntin with curs and they put his hounds to shame and thats why he dont want to let them hunt together...


i think that they should have a trial period give the curs say 3 months and then deside what they do for the sport...

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Do not put words in my mouth.
In 40 years of hunting I have never had one tree ahead of me.
Always behind.!!!

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I know a former PKC World Squirrel champion is a walker female.

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Originally posted by Mike Hilty
Do not put words in my mouth.
In 40 years of hunting I have never had one tree ahead of me.
Always behind.!!!

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