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Nothing has been proved on Cam Newton...and nothing will be guys i dont think he should be responsible for something his dad did and he didnt even go to that college i would think diffrent if it was Auburn that offered him the money...

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I wouldn't say "nothing" has been proved on Cam. His dad may be blowing smoke, but his history is shady. There ARE reasons he left Florida--cheating and theft. Those are well documented.

My guess is, Cam's Heisman Trophy will end up along side the Reggie Bush trophy in the Trophy Case of Heisman Shame. If Auburn wins the National Title this year, they better enjoy it before its jerked out from under them and they become the next USC.

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YOU MAY HAVE A LITTLE EXTRA MONEY BUT YOU WOULDNT HAVE A HOUSE CAUSE IT WOULD GET BURNED DOWN!!! LOL

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Nothing has been proved on Cam Newton...and nothing will be guys i dont think he should be responsible for something his dad did and he didnt even go to that college i would think diffrent if it was Auburn that offered him the money...

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hooser looser paid up yet

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maybe tennesse can start the sec off right with a win

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SEC 0 for 1.

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Rip you're a piece of work. Tennessee lost that game just like Kyle Btotzman missed that field goal. Did he miss that field goal? No but all that matters is they lost. The SEC mathups ARE VERY VERY EVEN. You're already resulting to making excuses for them.

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Rip you're a piece of work. Tennessee lost that game just like Kyle Btotzman missed that field goal. Did he miss that field goal? No but all that matters is they lost. The SEC mathups ARE VERY VERY EVEN. You're already resulting to making excuses for them.

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We'll obviously little Frankie if you would have watched the Boise game you would have seen they could have put up 40 easy. Are they the best team? Who knows nobody knows who the best is and nobody will until a a playof is started. I said all along the SEC was weak this year. Am I wrong? I think not. The Big 10 and the Big 12 were both better this year. The. SEC was the best last year but not this year.

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Hoosier, no I am serious. We are talking serious breach of competency here along the lines of only giving 4 points for a TD. There is no doubt, none that Boise missed the FG. We are not talking about judgement here, not talking about questionable calls though there were plenty. We are talking about officials not understanding the rules.

The NCAA is already looking at adding in a countdown rule at the end of the game to stop this incompetence from happening. The officials didn't make the correct calls nor did they do the correct things. This is not my opinion, this is as black and white as plussing a possum.

I don't know that it was intentional, it was just incompetence.

You should never just walk off 5 yards for a 15 yard penalty and it is not disputed that it was a 15 yarder. 12 men were lined up at the snap and participated. That isn't too many men on the field, that's illegal participation. Automatic 15 yarder. No question, no doubt. They had replay that showed it and they just didn't know the rule or missed it in the heat of the moment but there is no doubt they mistakenly walked off a 5 yarder not a 15 yarder.

You must stand over the ball and keep the offense from snapping the ball until all substitutions are made and then move away and allow the snap. If the offense doesn't substitute then this is not requrired but UNC ran their entire FG team out there, the ball by rule should never have been allowed to be snapped.

Again this is not in dispute, this is in direct violation of NCAA rules.

The count down would mean that nobody would have to depend on officials in the heat of the moment doing the wrong thing like they did last night.

That's why they are looking at doing it.

There will be a new rule next year to prevent this from happening to another team. Write it down. It's coming.

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We'll obviously little Frankie if you would have watched the Boise game you would have seen they could have put up 40 easy. Are they the best team? Who knows nobody knows who the best is and nobody will until a a playof is started. I said all along the SEC was weak this year. Am I wrong? I think not. The Big 10 and the Big 12 were both better this year. The. SEC was the best last year but not this year.

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Also, if they are so even this year let's look at them.

Where did Tennessee finish in the SEC? Where did NC finish in the ACC?

South Carolina and FSU are close, I'll give you that one and the NC game but lets go down the list and see where each team finished in their respective conferences.

I haven't done it this year, because it has been so lopsided in the past I just assumed it was the same this year (conference X 2nd place team playing SEC 6th etc, just look at VT/UT last year. One was 2nd the other was like 7th).

Maybe it is more even this year. I hope so. I wish it would go back to the way it used to be where they had to pick teams based on where they finished in the conference vs the other team and how they finished.

That's when you can compare conferences by bowl games. Unfortunately we haven't had that since the 90's (we have the SEC dominance to thank for that they said they quit doing it to get more competitive games).

I would like to go back to it.

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Rip, is Mississippi state playing a horrible Michigan even? Is Florida at 7 and 5 playing a 7 and 5 Penn State even? Is Arkansas playing Ohio State even? Was North Carolina with one more win then Tennessee not even? The games are VERY even this year and the SEC WILL BE LUCKY to be even with the board.

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That's not what I asked.

I asked where did each team finish in it's respective conference?

Where did Tennessee finish in the SEC and where did UNC finish in the ACC? Looks like UNC was 6th, TN was 9th. TN was playing up 3 positions.

Not too far off but still playing up. Usually it's worse than that, just look at last years schedule.

That's what I am talking about. When you are talking conference strength you have to compare apples to apples. You can't compare conference X first place team to conference Y's 7th place team unless that 7th place team happens to win because the 1st place team should have won.

You cant go by record or rankings because teams don't play each other.

You have to go by where each finished in the conference. This year it looks to be better than is the habit for the SEC teams. The TN UNC game only had the SEC team playing up 3 positions.

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So you have the ACC 2 playing the SEC 4 (FSU/SouthCarolina) Playing up 2

Big 10 2 vs SEC 2 (OSU/ARKY) Even

Pac 10 1 vs SEC 1 (Oregon/Auburn) even

Big 10 6 VS SEC 7 (Penn State/Florida) Up 1

Big 10 7 VS SEC 6 (Michigan/Miss St) Down 1

Conf USA 1 vs SEC 8 (UCF/Ga) up 7 (Ok I'll say up 4 just because it's C-USA LOL) Looks like UCF will win, but the SEC was 4-0 against CUSA until tonight, and it took them playing their champion against the SEC 8 to get a close win. Doesn't mean anything because it's apples to oranges.

Big East 3 vs SEC 10 (Pitt/Ky) up 7.

Big 12 5 VS SEC 3 (ATM/LSU)down 2

And Big 10 1 Vs SEC 5 (Mich St/Bama). up 4

I guess you could say MState was 2 since Wisconson went to the Rose Bowl, but they went on a tiebreaker and I don't know who beat who head to head. Did State beat OSU or did OSU lose that one? I know the SEC head to head but not the Big 10. Just went by what was on the ESPN site for Big 10 Standings

That's alot better for the SEC than it has been in the past, especially in regard to the Big 10 games. Usually almost every one of those are SEC playing up 3 spots or so this year they are even.

But that's how you have to judge the games. You can't just say "hey UNC beat TN so they are one up on the SEC". No the ACC 6th place team beat the SEC 9th place team. That doesnt' prove anything because they should have won due to the SEC team playing up (Personally I consider anything between 1-2 spots being even, has to be 3 spots to be really playing up).

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Mich St. beat UW head to head. OSU did not play Mich St.

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Rocky Goode, NCAA official on the rules committee came out and publically stated that the snap should have never been allowed and the game was over.

http://www.wbir.com/news/article/15...ime?odyssey=tab|topnews|texth|FRONTPAGE|default|p



Said the rule is clear, the official was supposed to stand over the ball because of the punt team being run on and all the substitutions going on and not allow a snap. Clock should have expired.

He went on to say that they walked off the wrong penalty, should have walked off 15 for illegal participation.

I am suprised he said that on the record, but he did on WBIR.

This is why the NCAA will come out with a count down rule next year similar to the NFL, to keep this kind of blatant incompetence from happening again.

I would give them the benifit of the doubt and call it incompetence but they clearly determined the outcome of the game, took it from the team that won on the field in regulation and gave it to another team.

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That reason is why I'm in favor of playing EVERYONE in your conference and less B.S. non conference smaller schools.

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