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Wanting someone to withdraw because there loosing is not have sportsmanship! Truth is that is just wanting a easy path to victory! Ive been down so far I wanted to withdraw but I would be handling someone else’s dog and they spent there money so I put in the time! Sportsmanship goes in a lot of direction.

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There are some that understand sportsmanship and some never will. I definitely think whoever you are, you should be the first to sign up for the sportsmanship class 101. That is assuming you've ever even been in a nite hunt.

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I never could understand why a dog would be scratched for anything except fighting. What's so horrible about treeing a possum that a dog must be sent home? Let him compete. I never thought it was fair to the casts that remain with 4 dogs. Almost everybody has a dog that looks great by himself. Even me. Sometimes.

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I never could understand why a dog would be scratched for anything except fighting. What's so horrible about treeing a possum that a dog must be sent home? Let him compete. I never thought it was fair to the casts that remain with 4 dogs. Almost everybody has a dog that looks great by himself. Even me. Sometimes.

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Fair and generous behavior or treatment of others is the literal definition of Sportsmanship. You are not asking for fair treatment. You are asking for special treatment. What’s amazing is you keep saying you are in the right for asking a “competitor” to step aside so you can advance higher in a ranking. I looked up Sportsmanship. Maybe you research competition or competitor’s. I don’t think much of a man that would withdraw and let me rack up more points. So I won’t be that man for you cupcakes!

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Fair and generous behavior or treatment of others is the literal definition of Sportsmanship. You are not asking for fair treatment. You are asking for special treatment. What’s amazing is you keep saying you are in the right for asking a “competitor” to step aside so you can advance higher in a ranking. I looked up Sportsmanship. Maybe you research competition or competitor’s. I don’t think much of a man that would withdraw and let me rack up more points. So I won’t be that man for you cupcakes!

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Oh my goodness, so everyone should just get out of your way and let you run up a big score so that you could beat the dogs in the other cast that were competing against 3 other dogs? Maybe you should have paid them to withdraw.

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In my eyes it's about as un sportsmanlike as it gets. When I'm getting beat that bad I'll shake your hand and watch yours go tree another one because clearly my dog couldn't keep up that night. I could kick rocks, moan and groan, and try to hold you down and keep you from scoring another coon. That's really the only reason anyone would stay in. Sad

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Oh my goodness, so everyone should just get out of your way and let you run up a big score so that you could beat the dogs in the other cast that were competing against 3 other dogs? Maybe you should have paid them to withdraw.

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It’s obvious you weren’t taught to finish what you started. If I didn’t have the dog power to beat you, I wouldn’t have ever entered the hunt in the first place. However, once I start something, I finish it. It makes no difference what you think or feel about me or anyone else. This thread actually gives me a little hope because the majority seem to be men that finish what they start. What kind of person calls it a win when competing against nothing? The same kind that gets on an Internet forum whining because it was everyone else’s fault that he didn’t win. I never find myself in these situations where I should quit. Maybe you should find a different game that doesn’t require you beat other players. That way you can just declare yourself the winner.

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The more details that come to light, the more it starts making sense

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It’s obvious you weren’t taught to finish what you started. If I didn’t have the dog power to beat you, I wouldn’t have ever entered the hunt in the first place. However, once I start something, I finish it. It makes no difference what you think or feel about me or anyone else. This thread actually gives me a little hope because the majority seem to be men that finish what they start. What kind of person calls it a win when competing against nothing? The same kind that gets on an Internet forum whining because it was everyone else’s fault that he didn’t win. I never find myself in these situations where I should quit. Maybe you should find a different game that doesn’t require you beat other players. That way you can just declare yourself the winner.

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I'll bet if this thread was posted on the the other board it would've taken a completely different direction. Interesting....

I've pulled a lot of rabbits outa my hat in the dying minutes but if I wasn't sitting on a CW from the night before and I'm down 500 with 20 to go stick a fork in me and call it what you want. I'm done.

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I did not intend to change your mind. You assume the other cast members had bad intentions by saying they showed bad sportsmanship. I assumed they payed the same money you did and are playing by the same rules and therefore have the same right to hunt as you do. What are we missing. Where is the imaginary line you draw where people should give up and just let you win? It must be somewhere between the points you were down the night before and points you were up the second night. Does that number fluctuate when you are down or ahead?
You keep saying people that don’t quit have an ego problem. I just don’t view men in that way. It would never cross my mind to place blame on other men for holding me back.

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I did not intend to change your mind. You assume the other cast members had bad intentions by saying they showed bad sportsmanship. I assumed they payed the same money you did and are playing by the same rules and therefore have the same right to hunt as you do. What are we missing. Where is the imaginary line you draw where people should give up and just let you win? It must be somewhere between the points you were down the night before and points you were up the second night. Does that number fluctuate when you are down or ahead?
You keep saying people that don’t quit have an ego problem. I just don’t view men in that way. It would never cross my mind to place blame on other men for holding me back.

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It's okay Ghost. If I'm beating you by 500 with 20 mins left in an elimimination event and it makes you feel good inside to say you finished the hunt then by all means. What's your name again? I'd like to know who I'm addressing in these awesome internet battles were having.

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UKC finally got it right in the Rules for making a Night Champion and s Grand Night Champion, by going to Cast Wins versus high score format. ALL HUNTS should be based on Cast winners advancing regardless of score as long as the score is plus points, cast winners hunting off until you have a True Champion. Dave

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UKC finally got it right in the Rules for making a Night Champion and s Grand Night Champion, by going to Cast Wins versus high score format. ALL HUNTS should be based on Cast winners advancing regardless of score as long as the score is plus points, cast winners hunting off until you have a True Champion. Dave

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I'll bet if this thread was posted on the the other board it would've taken a completely different direction. Interesting....

I've pulled a lot of rabbits outa my hat in the dying minutes but if I wasn't sitting on a CW from the night before and I'm down 500 with 20 to go stick a fork in me and call it what you want. I'm done.

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I've pulled a lot of rabbits outa my hat in the dying minutes but if I wasn't sitting on a CW from the night before and I'm down 500 with 20 to go stick a fork in me and call it what you want. I'm done. [

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Is it a competition hunt when you are hunting by yourself or is it just one guy trying to run up his score? When everyone else scratches out or withdraws, the hunt should be over and you should have to go back to the clubhouse with the score that you have. You are no longer competing against another dog. Maybe we need a new rule.

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It's OK if you want to withdraw. It's your right. But it's also your right to finish the hunt. And you shouldn't be criticized if you hunt until it's over.

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Let me say this one more time, NO DOG can do nothing more than win their cast. No dog should have to depend on s high score to advance in ANY HUNT. Surely, no one that hunts thinks a high score in one cast determines the WINNER. PKC has been putting on big hunts for years with a Cast elimination style format and doing it correctly. They do not have a problems getting judges and guides to do this. UKC can do the same thing, it's time to change the hunt format and have a TRUE Champion in ALL of these Big Hunts. Saying a dog that got put in a coon zoo and ran up a big score is better than the other cast winners is FALSE and not
Justified. Imagine why the the HIGH SCORES usually come from local dogs that get the best spots. My buddy got lucky s couple years ago at the Grand American and had the HIGH scoring dog the first night and got dry holed the second night. Once they see you have s coon dog, you will be dry holed the next night. As a matter of fact the 2 highest scoring dogs the first night were both put in the same cast and dry holed, neither dog treed a coon the second night. Does anyone think that was just bad luck? Get rid of this fallacy and have a elimination style hunt to get a True Winner. Dave

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The whole goal of a competition hunt is to see who has the best dog. If that takes 30 mins or the whole 2 hours. When it's clear to you and everyone on the cast when a dog no longer has any chance to win it should be withdrew.

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