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The female I got now when coons are moving trees them all around you but on a bad night she will drop in a mile before you can blink and she ain't coming back. If you try and hit the come here button she will just lay down right there and you still got to go get her. Her momma was worse that's what got her splated on the highway. I don't like it old folks need a dog that handles I can't blame nobody I bred them that way.



One mile one coon don't suit me.


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Love em or hate em the DEEP AND ALONE type of dogs are hard to clean after, wither your scoring with a .22 just out hunting or with a pencil and score card. Hate em, cuss em, all you want but there going to have a coon a high majority of the time and they don't take all night doing so. Like I mentioned before there not the most enjoyable pleasure dogs, they have faults just like all the rest but they have a plus side as well. If you don't think so wait till you draw one and you'll find out.

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The rules of night hunts are the only thing that make them useful. Take leash lock out of the rules and just recut the dog that is treeing coon and you will tree many behind deep and lonely. I’m not saying that this is right or wrong, I’ve owned both types and enjoyed both types but the leash lock only helps the deep and lonely dog.

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Only one kc has no leash lock and they have hunts in a lot of different states with no problems. I have hunted under those rules quite a bit and I can take a 25 strike and 125 tree and hold my own with ole mouthy , deep , and alone. The other two kc's will not change the babbling rule or the no leash lock because they will loose customers because those hunters would loose their advantage.



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Only one kc has no leash lock and they have hunts in a lot of different states with no problems. I have hunted under those rules quite a bit and I can take a 25 strike and 125 tree and hold my own with ole mouthy , deep , and alone. The other two kc's will not change the babbling rule or the no leash lock because they will loose customers because those hunters would loose their advantage.
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Really? I thought AKC had no leash lock also?

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its suppose to be a coon treeing contest.. when dogs are on leash .its not a coon treeing contest then.. just who can walk the furthest in one dump. I have been beat by the deep and by the close.. rather walk close toem.

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Good Lord when did .6 mile in become a deep hunting dog. Mine covered 1.5 miles the other night to tree .41 in there and was alone. Should I consider him deep and alone? My point is hunt what you have and if you don’t like another guys style of dog so be it.

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I didn't mean for this post to be about deep and alone but about exceptional track dogs. Sure titled it wrong.

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How many of you who want deep and alone dogs hunted before tracking collars of any kind were available? My guess is if you'd been around in the days of NO tracking collars or shock collars you would have a different outlook than you do today. Have one of those dogs in mountain country with no tracking device and you wouldn't keep it long. Especially where coon are moderate to thin in population.

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The rules of night hunts are the only thing that make them useful.

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Yes this style of hound wins a lot in the hunts. But these types of dogs TREE coon a high majority of the time. Most are just as accurate or more accurate then a top notch track dog. Everyone hating on this style of dog but you notice when one comes up for sale they don't last long and they ain't CHEAP.

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In a lot of instances a dog that try's to be alone to a fault pushes them away from the coons to be treed !



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How many of you who want deep and alone dogs hunted before tracking collars of any kind were available? My guess is if you'd been around in the days of NO tracking collars or shock collars you would have a different outlook than you do today. Have one of those dogs in mountain country with no tracking device and you wouldn't keep it long. Especially where coon are moderate to thin in population.

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Had very few, over 50 years, they were hard to beat, but out of pocket here, means possibly dead and alone on the road. Deep to me at least One mile or more.

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The Garmin dog is what we call them but without the new tracking systems it would be tough to turn themoose in man places

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Understood, but if not for comp hunts they wouldn’t be valued is all I was saying. Why walk 1 mile to look at one coon if you could look at 4 in that same mile? I’m just stating that the night hunt has made them popular. I have owned both types and liked them both when I had them. I will say that on any given night one type or the other has its night. You can’t prove by me that will win more then the other. A lot of variables come into play

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I agree 100%! They are a product of the hunt and I do believe without the Garmin this style of dog wouldn't be nearly as successful! Hard to call a dog when you can't hear it don't matter what the Garmin says!

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I don’t like ole deep an lonely either. But I can handle ole babbling first strick deep an lonely with his own coon vs babbling first strick me too with some of my coon with 4:55 gone on the clock.

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HAHAHAHA
Technology has changed everyone to some degree .

I remember a young man with as good of a dog there was at the time who made the top 20 at the world. Ive always said if he'd had a garmin those days he wouldnt have been beat often and prob made the final 4 if not win the world.
when his dog barked he was treed , super accurate and didnt take long to bush em but would get deep if needed. Totally silent ,,,,,, some cant even imagine what its like to NOT KNOW where ol silent is at without that face glued to the screen lol

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Since this has turned into a Garmin post to some extent... Why wouldn't you use your Garmin in a hunt? It gives you a direction to listen, A direction to walk when its your 8 minutes and dogs are on the lead, and gives everyone the ability to try and hear their dogs. Why would you want someone to just not know where their dog is and just be gone? Me personally I was someone to beat me by treeing more coons not beat me because their dog is in the next hollow over and I can keep them from hearing them...

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Tyler I love my garmin but if I am judging they better make sure I hear their dog before they tree them.


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Tyler I love my garmin but if I am judging they better make sure I hear their dog before they tree them.


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I can't hear Mrs tar 5 ft but I can hear a cur dog barking at somebody's house 5 miles away lol.



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I don’t competition hunt but I know I wouldn’t keep a deep and alone dog...I am talking about one that runs that straight line for a mile and then strikes a hot track...a good dog should get out quickly and their nose will tell them pretty quick if they need to go deeper...or if there is decent scent in the general vicinity...then it shouldn’t take long for the dog to find the hot end of the tracks...a good dog shouldn’t take long to do this...

It seems to me the type of dog I am talking about is what everyone should want...maybe not???

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