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More pitfalls of "helping" out your fellow Hunter. Lol. Thankfully, most hunts do not turn out that way, but one has to realize that some hunters have had bad experiences helping others and choose not to do so anymore. I am glad most of us can and will help others, but I will not berate those that choose not to. I don't know their reasons, nor do I have to know, after all it's their choice. Dave

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Rides at local clubs are more than common and nearly always given. But I really don't know how you can put that much time and money into traveling to a large hunt hours away and put your transportation needs into someone else hands? Forget someone not offering you a ride, why would you yourself want to put yourself in a situation where weeks of hard work from you and your dog could come down to be affected by someone who gave you a ride. Say the person you take the ride from isn't such a great guy, you have a disagreement or beat him. That guys leaves you in the woods or doesn't get you back in time to turn you scorecard in. Or worse he wins and your dog is lost, he needs to leave to make back in time. You are an hour away from the club, what do you do? I agree that if possible and not too inconvenient that someone should give you a ride when push comes to shove. But no one owes you a ride and I personally could never let my fate or the safety of my hound at a large hunt come in the hands of someone else.

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Rides at local clubs are more than common and nearly always given. But I really don't know how you can put that much time and money into traveling to a large hunt hours away and put your transportation needs into someone else hands? Forget someone not offering you a ride, why would you yourself want to put yourself in a situation where weeks of hard work from you and your dog could come down to be affected by someone who gave you a ride. Say the person you take the ride from isn't such a great guy, you have a disagreement or beat him. That guys leaves you in the woods or doesn't get you back in time to turn you scorecard in. Or worse he wins and your dog is lost, he needs to leave to make back in time. You are an hour away from the club, what do you do? I agree that if possible and not too inconvenient that someone should give you a ride when push comes to shove. But no one owes you a ride and I personally could never let my fate or the safety of my hound at a large hunt come in the hands of someone else.

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Excellent post, never put your fate in someone else's hands. Those who do should not be disappointed when things don't go their way. Local hunts may not require one to drive very far, but even local hunts can have some issues concerning lost dogs, etc. It is always best to be prepared and rely on oneself, rather than depend on a stranger. Dave

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Originally posted by Bruce m. Conkey
No it wasnt a UKC. They are only on weekends. I think everyone enjoyed themselves. Thing is if it was a Saturday UKC hunt. The same guys would have been there. Down here most hunt them all and it is not one against the other. It is just coonhunting. When you get in the swamps down here the mud doesnt care what kind of hunter it is getting on.

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While most hunters are good law abiding people, there are some that one just don't want to associate with. There are some risks involved when dealing with strangers at any time and the hunts are no exceptions. There is the question of liability if someone is injured or killed in your vehicle, some never give this any thought, but it could happen. If you have substantial wealth, something like that could wipe you out. There is more than just a ride at stake, even though some would like to minimize the risks and berate those that won't provide rides, etc. Most people don't have legal documents on hand to get signed, such as a waiver of liability, or a hold harmless agreement and would be stuck if something should happen. Trevor Hack, a board member was severely injured by a drunk driver that had no insurance just a couple of years ago. While I agree and would help any Hunter that needs help, it is NOT without risks. Some prefer to be safe and won't give rides to strangers, I respect their decisions. Dave

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While most hunters are good law abiding people, there are some that one just don't want to associate with. There are some risks involved when dealing with strangers at any time and the hunts are no exceptions. There is the question of liability if someone is injured or killed in your vehicle, some never give this any thought, but it could happen. If you have substantial wealth, something like that could wipe you out. There is more than just a ride at stake, even though some would like to minimize the risks and berate those that won't provide rides, etc. Most people don't have legal documents on hand to get signed, such as a waiver of liability, or a hold harmless agreement and would be stuck if something should happen. Trevor Hack, a board member was severely injured by a drunk driver that had no insurance just a couple of years ago. While I agree and would help any Hunter that needs help, it is NOT without risks. Some prefer to be safe and won't give rides to strangers, I respect their decisions. Dave

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I don't think the Registries would want to open themselves to any liability. Dave

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Mr Peter, it is only a real big problem on the interweb. In reality, it isn't much of a problem.

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Well since we are on the subject here goes.

I hardly ever to almost never bring anything bad to any board nor do I complain about much. I been around a long time and I realize nobody owes anyone anything.

I do give my opinion especially on rules questions and quite often tick people off because right is right and wrong is wrong.

There are ways to do things and ways to not do things.

Just up and saying "nope you ain't gettin a ride I ain't coming back sucks to be you cause we are leaving now" is one way and when all three of a four dog cast do it it does smell of getting rid of the competition and will likely tick the person off that is needing a ride.

The other way is "I'm not coming back but I'll be happy to give you a ride to the woods and back to the satellite club but you will have to find a way back to the home club" or "lets see if we can get something worked out".

There is a ton of difference in those two approaches.

There are also proper ways to handle being denied a ride and they do not involve "telling people off". Nobody owes you a ride. Nothing wrong with being amazed or taken aback that three on the same cast can't find a way to do it and musing how the sport and people in general have changed.

There is an unwritten rule that we give rides when possible among most coon hunters (big or small hunts). I almost always end up with someone riding with me sometimes we become friends. I loan collars, leads lights whatever is needed. I stay and find dogs or come back and find dogs. I help all I can because that was just the way I was raised and it is just how us coonhunters in my area have always been.

I understand many do not. That is their right, it does't make it right.

As for liability, most have insurance on their vehicle that will cover liability.

Nothing in life is without liability. The only half way decent reason for not giving a ride is the one KT posted about substance abuse and stashes. That is a true concern. Other than that it's just making excuses.

Bottom line is either you are a person willing to help someone or you are a person that is not willing to help and only interested in what will help yourself.

It is your right to be that way but don't get all defensive when called out on it.

On a different note if you do get a ride with someone you should respect that ride, offer to buy the gas, respect their vehicle and abide by their wishes while accepting the ride.

One more thing, when someone helps you out have the decency to say THANK YOU.

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Good thread here.

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Rip, I have known you from this board for many years. Probably back when you where in High School before you entered College and a very successful career and before you were a married man with a nice Family. Time does pass by quickly. Always known you as one of the positive ones on here that brought good, truthful and interesting thoughts to this message board. I remember meeting you one year at the Winter Classic and you had a young Black dog that had one of the loudest mouths I have heard on a dog. The Coonhound world and the World in general, need more like yourself.

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Usually I have a problem reading these long winded posts, but this one...I can't get enough of for some reason. I personally wouldn't think anything of giving a ride or an extra light,collar,leash, whatever to someone in need. Nobody's perfect. My mind doesn't work like it used to haha. I forget stuff. Whatever. Just do what's right and you'll be ok in the long run I think.

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Jimmy, you are one of the nicest guys I know. You would definitely go out of your way to help someone. Sadly, not all people are like you and we run into those kind from time to time. Not much we can do about other people's behavior or mindset. All we can do is keep on doing the things we were taught and hope for the best. Happy Hunting buddy. Dave

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Well just because whoever owned the dogs did not have a truck and or trucks for all the handlers due to what I consider poor planning.It is no ones fault but their own their handler did not have a ride to the woods.To blame the other hunters in the cast for your poor planning takes some nerve.Just because you do not agree with someone not giving someone a ride does not make you right and them wrong. Like someone else said bring your own truck,tracking system and light and not depend or impose on someone else because of your poor planning or being unprepared.I won't accept a ride from anyone if offered not will I give anyone a ride.If the guide says we have to go in as few as trucks as possible.I'll just withdraw before I ride with someone or give someone a ride.The day you high and mighty people start making my truck payment then you might be able to suggest I give someone a ride. Until then if you start some crap with me about not giving a ride it won't end well for someone

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Well just because whoever owned the dogs did not have a truck and or trucks for all the handlers due to what I consider poor planning.It is no ones fault but their own their handler did not have a ride to the woods.To blame the other hunters in the cast for your poor planning takes some nerve.Just because you do not agree with someone not giving someone a ride does not make you right and them wrong. Like someone else said bring your own truck,tracking system and light and not depend or impose on someone else because of your poor planning or being unprepared.I won't accept a ride from anyone if offered not will I give anyone a ride.If the guide says we have to go in as few as trucks as possible.I'll just withdraw before I ride with someone or give someone a ride.The day you high and mighty people start making my truck payment then you might be able to suggest I give someone a ride. Until then if you start some crap with me about not giving a ride it won't end well for someone

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