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Awwww horse dookie. A man and a women can have 10 children all may have different looks and different levels of intelligence and they will be raised the same way it's called nature nobody knows why things happen the way they do.




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That is the false hood of breeding, we think same sperm, same female, same pups. Not true! Depending on the bloodlines of the dogs and there genetic background, some similarities will be there and that may be all.
To breed true you have to eliminate some of that.

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Tar are you saying the same thing i am , im confused?

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Line breed, family breed, inbreed on traits you like with knowledge and discipline and you can have line of hounds that will make you happy LOL

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Your to fast on the keyboard Conrad lol. I was trying to aggravate Curtis lol. But yes I agree with you there are no guarentees in the breeding game now you can put it together and hope for instance the reason I have line bred is I been trying to get one dog again but I have went at it from every angle got some nice dogs but none of them even close to him but all I can do is stack it up and hope because Mother Nature is in control.



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Hey Conrad, When Bruce Conkey said he bred Wipeout Blaze to that Zeb again female and the pups didn't have it, How come you didn't jump on here and tell him to keep breeding her, the next time might work? I mean that is what your saying right?

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....Line breed, family breed, inbreed on traits you like with knowledge and discipline........

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What about just using your computer to come up with the right numbers?

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Edwardfasteddy, I dont remember what the other half of either dog is, close or way different? Were they very close in traits?
Do either one breed with any consistency ?
Same names don't mean a whole lot.
And some crosses just never work!
That is why some inbreed the first round or two to set the traits then go to linebreeding then to maybe an outcross if something is needed It is always a work in Progress.

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Eddy. I will guarantee you one thing. Those two will never be crossed again and those two in their prime were two of the best in the business.

Shine was bred twice to my knowledge. One litter an outcross produced a $10,000 Gold Champion female who is young and still winning. The line bred litter produced some very sorry pups.

I consider Conrad a friend and I enjoy talking about this stuff with him on the board. I understand where he is coming from with his thoughts on breeding. I may not be in total agreement but it takes a certain type of person to be a breeder and Conrad fits that mold more than I do.

My goal from day one, 50 years ago. Find a breed and a person I could get a pup from and with some effort from me. It would make some type of coondog. I found that in the Walker Breed and is several of the people I got puppies from. Mainly Mr. Roy starting back in the mid 70's.
My goal if I ever breed a litter of pups is the same. I would like them to go to young people and for the pup to bring enough to the table that the young person with limited knowledge on training can end up with a coonhound.

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Conrad, i understand that one trait you breed for is bawl mouth tree dogs. A couple questions. Is that trait always in what you breed? And what percent of bawl mouth tree dogs are you getting? Thanks

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Bruce, What I'm saying is THESE GUYS on here are saying you should bred her again if the first cross didn't work. Did you not see the post where they said you can bred and get a good cross and the next time nothing, maybe your on the bad litter and the next will be great.. That's what these breeders on here are saying, not me. What a bunch of BS!

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I am starting to like this Conrad feller. I am going to quit posting and just start quoting him.

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Here is how I look at it.

Without a doubt when you breed dogs. You will get some pups that take after the Sire and some after the Dam. Sometimes it is actions and sometimes it is in looks and most of the time both.

I do know if the female you breed does something you don't like. You will see it in the pups and probably the one you keep.

Some sires mark the pups more than others. Most of the pups out of blaze have that wide blaze just like he does. Not all of them but most of them.

Here are 4 from a recent litter. Wide blaze, wide chest.



Just be responsible for what your breed. Be honest about what you breed. Learn from what your breed.

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When I first got on here you guys where talking about how to start a pup and I didn't see anything that interested me, now your going to talk about breeding dogs, and none of it is interesting, so man I'm gonna go a head and jump off here and let you guys have at it......

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Bruce, I didn't see your post, Nice looking pups man! I'm a BIG fan of Wipeout BLAZE!

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Just goes to show people only hear what they want to hear, I never said to breed her again, What i said is why litter #2 can be different, if you think the genes line up the same every time then there is not much more we need to discuss

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Sleepyhead, I breed for bawl mouths on track, do not like a chop mouth track dog, On the tree, hard screaming chop mouth dogs are what i like. Sorry the bawl mouth treeing walker might throw some off.

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Sleepyhead, I breed for bawl mouths on track, do not like a chop mouth track dog, On the tree, hard screaming chop mouth dogs are what i like.

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I consider Bruce a good friend and totally respect his thoughts on things and his breeding program, have been to his house and had a wonderful time, I in no way am trying to force anyone into a box, people ask questions on a subject and if i know a little I will talk if i know nothing I keep my mouth closed.
Can't make me mad over some Hounds, Life is too short!
Have fun Gentlemen there only Dogs.

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Probably, I have had some that bawl then go into a hard chop after a couple minutes.

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Probably, I have had some that bawl then go into a hard chop after a couple minutes.


Couple minutes turns into a little longer, then a hour, then a few more pups and before you know it, there all doing it, then you breed it to another one that Bawls for a couple minutes (line bred) and the whole litter is bawling on the tree, then your breeding them and before you know it, YOUR BREEDING BAWL MOUTH TREE DOGS!! LOL!!

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conrad, where exactally in northwest ga are you? im just north of chattanooga, tn.

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wells heres what im going to do. dont really have to please anybody but me and thats hard to do. i hunted with an english male dog named BIGTIME SAMPSON. in my opinion and only mine, he was as good and balanced a coondog as ive ever seen. he goes hunting everytime u cut him loose, he gets by himself everytime u cut him loose and he gets treed somewhere everytime ive ever seen him cut loose. ive never seen him be ill towards any other dogs or people. ive seen coons on the outside everytime ive seen him go. i hunted with a pup out of him that is the best young dog ive seen in several several years. first time i saw her go she was around 8 or 9 months old and she went alone and she struck a track and she worked it thru some of the roughest mtn hunting you can find and she treed him on the outside. all by herself. so again that impressed me more about sampson. she reminds me of him. now i have a 3 yr old female that ive never bred. she is bred similiarly to both sampson and the mother of the young dog i mentioned. my female is more hound than i like to follow on these thin coon mtns most of the time. she goes everytime till she finds something and distance and terrain or water doesnt phase her in the least. if alot of guys that hunt flat ground hunted her where i do, they would quit and take up knitting or bowling. so im planning on breeding her to Sampson soon as she comes in. if pups take sfter either parent then they should be fairly easy to start, hard going, not afraid of the dark, longing to be lonely coondogs. although it wont technically be linebreeding, i plan on doing that with their offspring if i get the right one. there is a particular dog in both their peds that i think is mainly responsible for the type dogs these are and im hoping to eventually linebreed as close as i can on him. may not work but im gonna try. ill let yall know.

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LIPPER was a Bawl mouth tree, If you put him in there 4 or 5 times up close and don't get a bunch of bawling dogs there is something FISHY!

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Khester, What for dog on that pedigree is the one you think they are acting like, I have had a lot of the big named English dogs here at my house and have hunted and bred to to a lot of others. The way you have described them sounds like you may have a little bit of Rooster in them. Breeding English dogs is not hard to do, it's nothing like breeding Walkers. Breeding Walker's you have to know what your doing because 75% of them don't have it. Most of the time when you hunt or talk to someone with Walker's good chance your looking at that 75%..

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