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as with breaking any dog the younger and sooner the easier. 1st time it holes a little tickle with the collar till it gets the message. even a smart biddable old dog can learn it very easy.
in most cases it is the trainer that is afraid to train and try to see if there dog can learn.

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I've actually talked to Willy. He is a great resource on training dogs. I'll buy his book!!!

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I want my dog to finish the track be it in a tree or a hole . And as far as wild willy goes I can't wait to get his book . Anybody can cull a dog for a fault but a real trainer will try to work through it . Is most faults in a dog ( and all dogs have them ) genetic or man made ?

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Have any of you that say they want their dogs to stay in a hole ever had to go into a cave after your dog? Or keep going back day after day trying to talk them out of the hole? Or call your buddies to help you repel into a sink hole to get your dog?

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Rob I respect the point that you don't want your dogs messing with a hole , and yes i've had them go in a dozed up mess that you could'nt even hear the dog that gave us a scare and the neighbor had his go in an old mine that took him a couple days to get , but we don't have caves around that i'm aware of . It's not that i encourage my dogs to mess with a hole but if their at one digging I hook them up and leave .
But once mine start a track I want them to have an end to it not once they come to a hole and quit .

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Well I have had to do it all, and had to repel down a sink hole the size of a truck hood 40 feet deep because a pup wasn't hole broke! The coon never was seen!!!! Most holes a coon is never seen, it comes down to personal preference I guess. I feel the same with doze piles, and if having a dog that suits the way I hunt makes me a retard or stupid like ol firebird says then so be it. But my dog is my buddy and has never failed to give me 110% and always tries to please me. He can't get on here and defend himself but I can assure you he is no quitter! And and plenty of folks will back that up! I'm sure you are just having a bad day Mr.firebird but I'd appreciate it if you don't go putting words in my mouth and popping your gums about my dog cause you don't have to feed him and have never hunted with him! Thank you

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I want my dog to finish the track be it in a tree or a hole . And as far as wild willy goes I can't wait to get his book . Anybody can cull a dog for a fault but a real trainer will try to work through it . Is most faults in a dog ( and all dogs have them ) genetic or man made ?

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What's this got to do with holes? Not hard to start a new thread.

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What's this got to do with holes? Not hard to start a new thread.

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Crawling in one of those culvert with a barking dog will bout blow your eardrums out too!

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Rob , if a coon runs in a hole or a field drain do they quit and move on ?

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Shoot yeah. Batesville has a little farm land, and white river bottoms, plus the black river ain't to far from there. It's a little nicer hunting than here by the house, but not as much public land. I keep telling myself I'm gonna go over there and hit the ukc hunt at Charlotte, but every time I get fired up to go, my dog seems to do something super stupid the week of the hunt and I end up talking myself out of it! Ha! Told myself next time I get all pumped up to go cause my dog is clicking, I'm not going to hunt no more that week until the competition hunt!

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everyone can make there own choice and live with it as far as the dog staying at a hole.
pleasure hunting or competition hunting makes no difference there is no advantage for a dog to stay at a hole. absolutely none. now if the dog needs to stay at a hole so your pride isn't hurt as the owner of the dog or to prove the dog can finish a track which by the way could and most likely is trash often enough all i can say is i don't blame the hound for the owners lack of good training.

a good experienced handler/owner will break there dogs of staying at holes.

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even beagles don't stay at holes.

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It's no fun looking at a dog 25ft down a sink hole not knowing if you're gonna be able to get it out

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Yes sir Mr Joey, it can get pretty rough! Its all ive ever had to hunt really, so it dont even factor in. Its just coon hunting to me. It's also why it don't ever bother me to hunt new territory! I'm glad to see something different! Which usually means flatter. I'm with you, the hole thing is all in where you hunt. It only happens to me a couple times a year though. I think some of them old boars that's been treed a few times like to get where they can't be found!

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I found the tards. Rob and swamp

I don't give a sh!t if the dog runs a coon up a tree, in a hole, into a barn, or up a telephone pole as long as the dog ends with the coon.

Is a hole not good enough for you lol

I'd have bunch of culls cause 25% of runs end up in holes or under a bank,another 25% in pines.

I hate pines maybe I'll break my dogs from treeing coons in a pine tree

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everyone can make there own choice and live with it as far as the dog staying at a hole.
pleasure hunting or competition hunting makes no difference there is no advantage for a dog to stay at a hole. absolutely none. now if the dog needs to stay at a hole so your pride isn't hurt as the owner of the dog or to prove the dog can finish a track which by the way could and most likely is trash often enough all i can say is i don't blame the hound for the owners lack of good training.

a good experienced handler/owner will break there dogs of staying at holes.

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even beagles don't stay at holes.

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I've seen foxhound quit a coyote and get wooded on coons! Lol Rick everyone has an idea of what they want and most are different. Just do what suits you needs and be happy.

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My Dad paid a pretty penny for a couple of Gr Nt Ch females. Both of them got stuck in holes under rock ledges in the first month that we had them. Dug one of them out and had to leave the other one but she somehow ended up getting out and we picked her up the next day. He had bought a Nt Ch male before that who one night got in a hole and his collar got caught on a root and he couldn't get out. That was before the garmins and I was able to find him with the old beep beep system. Had another female I bought from North Carolina who would stay in a hole. All four of those dogs I ended up breaking them out of holes when they figured out I was not a happy camper when I got to them and they were digging in a hole. I think the dangers of a dog staying in a hole in some areas is worse than other places especially where it is hilly and the holes are deeper and where there are rock cliffs in hill country or long drain tiles in some agricultural areas. I personally don't want to take a long walk to a dog barking and digging in a hole and I feel if the dog gets out of the hole and goes hunting again that they will usually get another coon treed in the time that they would have wasted staying at the hole. I've never had a dog stop running and treeing coon just because I've corrected them for staying in a hole. Although I don't competition hunt very much I feel like I will tree more coon pleasure hunting if the dog goes on and finds another coon it can tree. That's just my opinion so to each there own.

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And foxhounds don't tree . So whats your point ? Enlighten me expert .

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If mine locates a hole that's good enough for me. Track ended they did their job. Go on and find another. I don't have to see the hole to know what happened.

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i bet they just sit there and dig them out. lol! dig on i'm out. good luck and good day.

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I've actually thought about doing this. Around here for most of winter you'll be treeing in pines 75% of the time.

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