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Originally posted by Daniel Donahue
Someone to performance one litter per year on a male at a cheaper rate. I bred to a dog that won't be bred again this year so it's hard to pay the full amount for one breeding

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Can't do it in the middle of the year for100. I just decided to breed to this dog u can't plan everything a year in advance

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Originally posted by Allen / UKC
The form in question is available on the website.

https://www.ukcdogs.com/docs/huntin...nce-program.pdf

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You really wanna increase the PRP payout? Here's a simple way to greatly increase the pool of money in the program without having to ask or rely on UKC to lift one finger.
Encourage every Bluetick, Red Bone, B&T, Plott and Leopard owner/breeder to nominate and pay up every litter and every pup into the program. This would bring a huge flood of cash into the program while taking very little out.

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Why can't you? If you have a nice male dog, go ahead and pay the $100 in November or December. Then if someone wants to breed a female make them give you the $100 back. Or if you have a female don't breed her unless the stud is Performanced. There are plenty of Performance studs to pick from. It sure doesn't take much planning.
And you can "encourage" breeders by refusing to buy a pup or dog that isn't Performanced. That is what drove the S/S program. You can't pay a Professional handler to take a pup or young dog that isn't S/S eligible no matter how good it is.

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The male is not mine. Just because it's performance sure doesn't mean it's what I want to breed to. If I could have paid 50 or 100 out of my pocket to performance the litter I would and I bet others would.

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What good does all this do if you don't have enough dogs at the hunts to win the points ? Not everybody gets to go to the bigger hunts it would be stupid on my part to pay all that up drive 14 hrs and spend $1,000 to try and win a $100 point you know what I mean Vern.



And no I ain't moving up north y'all talk funny lol.

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UKC should have made the program mandatory at its inception. Every dog entered in a hunt should be paid up & it be stated on the easy entry card..

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Uh oh, that sounds a little bit like Obamacare.

Sorry but I just couldn't resist it. Sometimes it is just way too easy.


The UKC Performance Program is just for people that enter their dogs in a lot of hunts or go to the bigger hunts. There are a lot of tarbabies out there that don't. Why should they have to pay for the ones that do?

And paying up a litter later on when the stud wasn't nominated is kinda like those pre existing conditions they keep talking about.

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Originally posted by H.W. Moore
UKC should have made the program mandatory at its inception. Every dog entered in a hunt should be paid up & it be stated on the easy entry card. As interest is waning I continue to see dogs at hints that aren't in the program.

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Jim, you need to run for the Senate.

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Tarbabie tays :

Call one of the big doggies up at Kalamazoo Richard ask them how many dogs was entered at Ada Oklahoma this our big hunts are getting little down here. I will make you a bet Richard that ole tar has drove as many or more miles as you and paid up as many or more studs and puppys in the performance program as you and I have beaten badly every redbone I have ever drawn.



And probly would yours lol !!

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The male is not mine. Just because it's performance sure doesn't mean it's what I want to breed to. If I could have paid 50 or 100 out of my pocket to performance the litter I would and I bet others would.

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Tar, I just went to a hunt in Oklahoma the first of June. There were 75 to 100 dogs each night. And they all beat me. I didn't win a thing. So I guess that it doesn't matter how much each point is worth to me. I can't figure out why in one post you say that you have quit and don't enter the hunts and the next you say that you do. In one post you say that you are thick skinned and can take it and then you get upset when I post something in jest. And surely you know by now that I am not serious and just joking. Didn't you see me smiling?

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Mr Moore, UKC is not the gubment, they cannot force participation in their programs nor should they. If someone chooses to put three firsts on their dog without earning a single point, that is THEIR choice.
And for those who believe interest in the program is waning, go look at the Sires list. There are hundreds of studs listed. When they publishes it in the magazine, it takes up three or four pages. And that is just the sires. If they listed every pup nominated it would take up the whole magazine.

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Seems to me if you want to earn more in the performance program get the attendance up at the locals. Big difference in averaging 0.4 pts per win compared to 1 pt or more.

How do you do that? let Grands hunt in nite champion category. I've been to 2 UKC hunts this year because all I got is 1 lonely grand nite sitting there waiting to go.

In PKC they don't give a hoot if a gold champion is competing against a 1 year old. More dogs = more money.

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I don't think u understand

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Tar, I just went to a hunt in Oklahoma the first of June. There were 75 to 100 dogs each night. And they all beat me. I didn't win a thing. So I guess that it doesn't matter how much each point is worth to me. I can't figure out why in one post you say that you have quit and don't enter the hunts and the next you say that you do. In one post you say that you are thick skinned and can take it and then you get upset when I post something in jest. And surely you know by now that I am not serious and just joking. Didn't you see me smiling?

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Increasing entry's at local hunts will increase points earned and decrease the value of each point so you won't make any more money. Increasing the # of pups nominated will also theoretically increase the number of points earned and decrease the per point value also. Increasing the cost to enroll studs/pups will decrease # of studs/pups enrolled and decrease point value also. The way the Program is set up it has leveled out at about $100/point. It should stay at about that no matter what you do. It will pay back your entry fees and that is about it. No matter what UKC does you are not going to make money at it.

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Sorry, I didn't see you smiling so sometimes it is hard to tell. And I get upset when someone picks on a Redbone. It is kinda like a 250 lb guy picking on a 100 lb handicaped kid. It just ain't fair.

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Tar, one thing you have to think about is you are on the outside edge of the coonhunting world. A lot of what you see isn't what everyone else all of the country is seeing. Take the other 2 money registries. In the rest of the coon hunting world there is only one that is pulling any hunters. The other one other than there large hunts are basically non existent outside of your state and Texas. The UKC hunts are also having more turn out than they are around you in other places.

BUT! I'm not seeing UKC push anything. The slam hunts have no prestige, they are not even posting pics of the winners. For the other larger hunts if you don't win the whole thing there is nothing and if you do you have to dig through the website to find it. The PP is not pushed. I'm not sure they see just how fast this stuff is slipping away. They go to the larger hunts and they have good turn outs. If they would send someone on the road for a couple of weeks to just local hunts they would come back with a pretty dismal report and if they went to Tar's neck of the woods it would be real bad.

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Doesn't UKC have people that they call field reps scattered throughout the country that go to the local hunts and report back to them? There is no reason for the executives to travel out of Kalamazoo. You can be sure that they know what is going on. In the good old days before the interweb if you wanted to suggest a change then you called up your local field rep and told him. Maybe Tar should apply for a job as a field rep. He would probably make a good one.

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Increasing entry's at local hunts will increase points earned and decrease the value of each point so you won't make any more money. Increasing the # of pups nominated will also theoretically increase the number of points earned and decrease the per point value also. Increasing the cost to enroll studs/pups will decrease # of studs/pups enrolled and decrease point value also. The way the Program is set up it has leveled out at about $100/point. It should stay at about that no matter what you do. It will pay back your entry fees and that is about it. No matter what UKC does you are not going to make money at it.

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Doesn't UKC have people that they call field reps scattered throughout the country that go to the local hunts and report back to them? There is no reason for the executives to travel out of Kalamazoo. You can be sure that they know what is going on. In the good old days before the interweb if you wanted to suggest a change then you called up your local field rep and told him. Maybe Tar should apply for a job as a field rep. He would probably make a good one.

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I dont even know who our field rep is and I sure haven't seen any at any local hunts? I see them at major hunts.

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You really wanna increase the PRP payout? Here's a simple way to greatly increase the pool of money in the program without having to ask or rely on UKC to lift one finger.
Encourage every Bluetick, Red Bone, B&T, Plott and Leopard owner/breeder to nominate and pay up every litter and every pup into the program. This would bring a huge flood of cash into the program while taking very little out.

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