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Charles Pullen
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Originally posted by Darrell Eads
Charles would you like a written Resume ? I went to the school of (turn ur light off I cant hear my dog ) or (son go get them dogs while I wait at the Truck) , (here son carry the gun , now let me have it you cant see the coon ) my favorite school was (you carry the hides and I will give you a $1.00 for every one you carry out ) and he was getting $30 to $50 a piece ,, Hahahahaha

and some of Y'all are getting a bit excited about the small things in Life , I think we are shrinking in the youth of today, rule change will not effect our dogs, People will , and People can effect the future of our sport by supporting the youth , find a neighbor hood kid bring him to a hunt , exposing kids to this is so important without them we have no future sport , because some of us are getting old and fat

Lol , thanks buddy . David ,I was just messing with Darrell and this is my 1st year in coon hunting & I didn't go to school either , lol . Darrell good to see you again at the Oaks. You hit the nail here Darrell . Got home from the Oaks sat night 9 hrs drive . Took 3 young boys hunting and told them to shine and not us old timers . Should have heard them hollering " I got him " . Then Sunday night took another young fella hunting and that's exactly what's it about the youth . Darrell are you calling me fat ???? Take care my classmate . 🤓

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MARSHALL AYERS
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Originally posted by AppalachianBlue
The federal government hasent been able to get that to work in 200 years. And besides lets face it most comp hunters are walker people. Wed just have 50 walker reps votin for rule changes. Is it really that bad to join a assoc for 20 to 30 dollars? To show you care about somethin? To help. To better your breed. Or atleast put in ur input to the breed rep? You get a breed book in return that cost that much to make. A single entry fee cost that much. In my honest opinion if thats how u feel i could care less how u wanna vote. Even tho i have nothin to do wit it. Thats like sayin all the illegal aliens should be able to vote for president.

Kenny I've read a lot of your posts on this board and have liked them because they were well rounded and seemed to have some thought put behind them. But the second and thirds sentence in this is just bad. It wouldn't just be walker reps and even so even if you have most comp hunters hunting walkers who cares? If you were to say that rules would be passed to help walkers win then shouldn't you build a better Coon dog to beat a walker?

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RLenhart
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Why not have a poll on here every year and have the results of that poll count the same as one breed organization plus have a ballot box at the three "big hunts" and have the results of that also count as one vote. So you'd basically be adding two more voting entities to the current system? That way the breed reps would still have a big pull on the results but the the individual hunters would also have a decent input.

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JiM
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Because you"don't have a bunch of guys voting that don't hit the hunts and maybe don't hunt at all. Heck, PETA could vote. Not a good idea.

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Because you"don't have a bunch of guys voting that don't hit the hunts and maybe don't hunt at all. Heck, PETA could vote. Not a good idea.

What exactly do you suppose would be PETA'S motivation to vote on "rule changes" like a "tree count down" or "bable rule"? LOL

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shane_atchison
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I doubt Peta cares if there's countdown or not. Poll on here to decide the proposals, then ballots at every hunt big or small. Let breed reps vote on things concerning their breeds, let hunters vote on things concerning hunts.

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Richard Lambert
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I wonder if interweb rule change voters would be like interweb coon hunters? And which came first, the chicken or the egg? Do people want to breed dogs to conform to the rules or do they want to change the rules to conform to the dogs they breed?

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JiM
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What exactly do you suppose would be PETA'S motivation to vote on "rule changes" like a "tree count down" or "bable rule"? LOL

I didn't say they would, I said they could. You guys are griping about Association members that don't hunt doing the voting and then you turn around and want to give to guys who start their posts with "I don't comp hunt but......".

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RLenhart
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I didn't say they would, I said they could. You guys are griping about Association members that don't hunt doing the voting and then you turn around and want to give to guys who start their posts with "I don't comp hunt but......".

Good point but just for the record "I haven't griped about anything concerning the rules voting because I don't particularly give a rat's @ss. I'll hunt with what ever rules they come up with and enjoy it all the same. I just thought if these guys feel like they should have a voice that would give them a voice without putting both reins in their hands. AND i think they're right they should have a voice. I think there's more people commenting on the hunts that actually do attend some hunts than you seem to want to give them credit for. If all these people really are just "internet coon hunter's" by god they got WAY to much time on their hands just setting on here commenting on stuff that has nothing to do with them! LOL

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
I wonder if interweb rule change voters would be like interweb coon hunters? And which came first, the chicken or the egg? Do people want to breed dogs to conform to the rules or do they want to change the rules to conform to the dogs they breed?

Competition hunters should vote on Competition rules. Not breeders, show people, water racers, or pleasure hunters. Most people just want to tweak outdated rules set up in pack hunting days 30-40 years ago.

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Donnie Stevens
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Do ya think somebody that started comp coon huntin last year should be voting on changes to the rules we hunt by ? I don't !

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tony.beals
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Pack hunters

I'm 60 and can remember some of the first UKC hunts I went to and I don't recall pack hunting, I could be wrong and of course the hunts with same plus and minus points and same 4 dog cast set up but a lot more hunters back then

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shane_atchison
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Originally posted by Donnie Stevens
Do ya think somebody that started comp coon huntin last year should be voting on changes to the rules we hunt by ? I don't !

Yes. I went to maybe 30 hunts my 1st year and hunted against men who had hunted for years and hadn't made 30 hunts. If you participate your vote should matter. I knew after a couple hunts a countdown was needed, 8min. was to long to keep a strike, and leash locking was ridiculous.

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AppalachianBlue
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Im perfectly fine wit it now. The people makin the decisions were voted in by groups of people that care enough bout the sport to participate in the hard work no one else wants to do. They are people wit plenty of experience and been there and know coon huntin in and out.

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Everyone should have a voice young,old, new to the sport or an old timer we are all there to compete. And breeding hounds to the rules is the wrong way to breed breed for brains,track,tree, and accuracy that's what should be done. I don't care what rules they changed, but I just think every rule is leaning towards the other KC's which this isn't UKC should stay UKC

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Originally posted by MARSHALL AYERS
Kenny I've read a lot of your posts on this board and have liked them because they were well rounded and seemed to have some thought put behind them. But the second and thirds sentence in this is just bad. It wouldn't just be walker reps and even so even if you have most comp hunters hunting walkers who cares? If you were to say that rules would be passed to help walkers win then shouldn't you build a better Coon dog to beat a walker?

I appreciate that marshall. I say this cause just for example not all breeds are the same. A typical bluetick wont hunt the same as a typical walker. Shouldnt the playin field be fair? You have the dead loners. The drifters the trackers. The dogs that hunt hard for a hr and get tired and sloppy in the second. The dogs that dont get goin till the second hour. Etc etc. I dont like the idea of changin rules just for one kind of dog style. Should the field be set for all types of styles to compete together?

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yadkintar
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I think we all voiced our opinions way before the vote the two things that most people said they wanted probly got covered in the new slam rules I think that was a trial period to see how they would work the only one that was not addressed was the leash lock with the babbling situation in thin coons that is really important only one other thing needs to be addressed none of the kcs really put an honest effort in putting big hunts in the south just think of it this way if Texas , Oklahoma , and Louisiana quit registering dogs with a kc how much money would they loose one in particular has a super stakes program thousands of people pay into from these states pay into and never go compete you dance with the one took you to the dance just sayen !!

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Ray Conrad
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Reading this thread,there appears to be opinions all over the place. This is probably normal I would think. As president of the ABTCHA I will explain how we handled this vote. After the proposals were recieved we scheduled a conference call and I personally asked every member of our executive board yay or nay or each proposal and documented the results. These results were taken to Oaks and used by our rules committee reps and myself when filling out the ballot. After the meeting our rules committee reps met with me to discuss any amendments to ensure the integrity of our original vote. The ballot was filled out and turned in. The point here is not just two people voted but the entire executive board of the ABTCHA. I feel 100% sure that the conscious of our organization was voted. We took this very seriously and our rules committee did an outstanding job.

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And with the new rules posted I would say you all did a good job Ray

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AppalachianBlue
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Have they posted results?

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Have they posted results?

Yeah it's a sticky at the top of the page

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AppalachianBlue
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Lol i literally just saw it as soon as i made the post. I like it. Wouldnt have minded changin the 8 to 6. But hey whatever.

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I appreciate that marshall. I say this cause just for example not all breeds are the same. A typical bluetick wont hunt the same as a typical walker. Shouldnt the playin field be fair? You have the dead loners. The drifters the trackers. The dogs that hunt hard for a hr and get tired and sloppy in the second. The dogs that dont get goin till the second hour. Etc etc. I dont like the idea of changin rules just for one kind of dog style. Should the field be set for all types of styles to compete together?

Absolutely not!

You design the dog for the hunts. You don't design the hunts for the dogs.

You take 2 guys.
GUY#1 was never a athlete. Never trained, never worked out, never knew a football had laces.

GUY#2 worked his ass off from high school through college. He's in the weight room every day, watches film everyday, trains every day.

Which one guys should go to the nfl to play pro ball?

Do they both go?

Or just the one that has been prepared for it?

What I'm saying is if people feel like they are getting beat by walkers to much then they need to evaluate what is on the end of their leash. No matter the breed. These rules aren't designed around a certain breed and the proposed rules weren't designed for a walker style hound. They were proposed the try and draw hunters from other kc's. Pkc's main set of rules have been in effect for a good while. Their rules were designed to be fast paced and exciting and were put together well before the walker breed was assigned the stigma of being what everyone feels they are today (a bunch of babblin, Loose mouthed, slick treeing mean dogs). Walkers were the breed in the hands of good handlers that was winning everything coming and going so alot more hunters moved to the walker breed because it gave them the feeling that if they had a walker they might win a world championship or a superstakes. The same as you see your childhood idle driving a corvet, at the time you want a corvet too. There is the argument that at a hunt there is always 50 walkers, 18 English, 5 blue ticks, 2 Black and Tans and 1 red dog. The walkers have more chances of winning. Averages are averages but at the end of the day if a walker wins it beat 49 other walkers and 75 other hounds total.

By you saying the hunts should be a fair playing field and should accommodate for all breeds style of hunting is the exact same as saying the rules should be changed to accommodate for a certain breeds hunting style in particular.

It's the same guitar, just different strings.

Also I meant this in no way shape or form in a foul way. Tried to type it as respectfully as possible.

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Used in a sports analogy. Thats like goin to the olympic games and tellin a long distance runner gold medalist winner he better step up his game cause next year its all track. Cause the sprinters are quicker and more action packed. Both are winners in theyre own right. Right? If theyre gunna compete shouldnt the race be some where in between?

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I get that the other kcs and the slam hints wanna more like track. Quick and fast paced. But the ukc hunts should atleast be left somewhere in the middle. They already got rid of the 3 hr hunts. Im to young to have been apart of that. But the same dogs that win in the long run like 3 hr hunts arent the same that kill it in the 90 min. Atleast the majority. But arent they both good coon dogs?

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