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Lets say you did decide to walk. Going off this fellers garmin. Could you question that?

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I would agree to walk towards the last known location of the dog in order to hear it. Not based on the Garmin but based on the direction of where the dog was last seen. If you use a rule to not allow it you are probably just afraid of getting beat by the non- babbling loner. Or too lazy. Let's think about what would be fair if it were your dog.

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who said anything about keeping up with dogs ? a handler that's dog is trailing when other dogs are treed has the right to pick direction to walk if his dog can't be heard after scoring tree and 8 is started are you going to scratch him if he uses his garmin to pick that direction ?

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who said anything about keeping up with dogs ? a handler that's dog is trailing when other dogs are treed has the right to pick direction to walk if his dog can't be heard after scoring tree and 8 is started are you going to scratch him if he uses his garmin to pick that direction ?

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The Garmin is never to be used to keep up with dogs. The Garmin is for you and your dogs safety not for keeping up with them in a cast. Has nothing to do with me, you, or any other cast member it has to do with following the rules the way they are written.

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Did u win the cast? what score did u have??

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Who told you that? certainly not UKC, i have never read anything that says a garmin cant be used to aid in locating or keeping dogs in hearing. They have said that a handler may not "demand" that the cast walk in a particular direction, and they have said that a dog cannot be called struck or treed based on what the garmin says, but to say because the cast knows where the dogs are because of telemitry that they cant head in their direction is just foolish. The days when a cast had to stand around for an hour because the dogs are out of pocket or drive around half the night listening are gone forever. GPS has changed the way we hunt, some like it and some dont.

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Who told you that? certainly not UKC, i have never read anything that says a garmin cant be used to aid in locating or keeping dogs in hearing. They have said that a handler may not "demand" that the cast walk in a particular direction, and they have said that a dog cannot be called struck or treed based on what the garmin says, but to say because the cast knows where the dogs are because of telemitry that they cant head in their direction is just foolish. The days when a cast had to stand around for an hour because the dogs are out of pocket or drive around half the night listening are gone forever. GPS has changed the way we hunt, some like it and some dont.

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I hope lm never in a cast where the judge says, "well we can't walk that direction, because that's where the Garmin says they are"

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I hope lm never in a cast where the judge says, "well we can't walk that direction, because that's where the Garmin says they are"

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You might all be missing the point of the telemetry rules. They were put in to stop a handler with a Garmin from having an advantage over a handler without one. Which way does the handler without a Garmin walk? Garmins were allowed for one reason, to tell a handler when his dog was in jeopardy. Never to influence the cast in any way.

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I don't think UKC wants us to stop using common sense

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You might all be missing the point of the telemetry rules. They were put in to stop a handler with a Garmin from having an advantage over a handler without one. Which way does the handler without a Garmin walk? Garmins were allowed for one reason, to tell a handler when his dog was in jeopardy. Never to influence the cast in any way.

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I don't think UKC wants us to stop using common sense

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UKC has 5 Telemetry Rules posted in there Advisor column. They should post them as a sticky in this forum so everyone has a quick reference to what you can and can't do with your Garmin during the hunt.

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rule #3 of the Telemetry Rules from the Coonhound Advisor. Posted 1/13/2014. "At no time may a handler demand the cast walk in the direction of a dog that has not been heard opening."

This is the case and point of the original question posted.

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Fact is you can't use tracking devices to follow a dog that isn't barking. We can slice it and dice it 100 times. I'm sorry i'm not following your garmin and going to something I can't hear.

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Fact is you can't use tracking devices to follow a dog that isn't barking. We can slice it and dice it 100 times. I'm sorry i'm not following your garmin and going to something I can't hear.

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I go back where we was when we last heard him. Start 8. Then I will walk in direction I last heard dog. Not which way his garmin says dog is. Same as it was before the garmin. Yall going off them on stuff like this is plain out cheating!! No way around it.

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Fact is you can't use tracking devices to follow a dog that isn't barking. We can slice it and dice it 100 times. I'm sorry i'm not following your garmin and going to something I can't hear.

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What rules says you can't?

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But it doesn't say that you can't ask nicely. How about, "I know that we don't have to but may we please walk in the direction of my dog?"

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But it doesn't say that you can't ask nicely. How about, "I know that we don't have to but may we please walk in the direction of my dog?"

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Rule 3 of the Telemetry Rules says it. It says plain as day you can't demand to walk to a dog that has not been heard opening.

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Ever wonder why guys like me would rather suffer from a painful hemorrhoid than to hunt in night hunts? There is so much greed and jealousy among some of ya'll that would rather win a cast than to use common sense to walk a little ways to help a man listen for his dog that has gotten out of pocket that it is almost pathetic. I fully understand about rules being rules but there are times that a dogs life may be in jeopardy and some of you are so scared that if you walk 200 yds. to help a man listen that it will negatively impact your life forever. As far as rules go, in most states, the speed limit is 55 mph. If your child was injured would you break the speed limit to get them to a hospital? Do you come to a complete stop at every stop sign ? At some point, common sense has to be used. A man on a night hunt in a strange area that he knows nothing about will feel uneasy about his dog being gone out of hearing for a long time and according to the rules, that's just tough. From a pleasure hunters perspective, that's sad. I realize that he knew what could happen before he went hunting but come on ! For all you guys that say tough luck, I just hope you never have to depend on somebody to bend a rule for you someday. Although these ARE competition hunts, competiveness can ruin a mans soul. If I offended anyone, good ! I promise, just because a man uses his Garmin to get closer to his dog, the sun will still rise tomorrow.

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