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YES to all questions	81	85.26%
NO to all or some of the questions	14	14.74%
Total:	95 votes	100%

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Robert Johnson
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quote:
Originally posted by Craig Edwards
Why would anyone want to claim a win their dog did not actually win, and down deep they know it ????? Not me!!!!

the dog that is ahead on the score card deserved the win. He/she outscored the others, and that is the name of the game, until it gets changed in the rules. I agree that there are many many folks who want to change the rules, so other dogs can win the most prestigeous title in the coon hunting world.....UKC WORLD CHAMPION!!

By the way, the UKC World Champion can not be a me too dog. He/She has to tree a coon by themselves, during the second round of the hunt, with a non-hunting judge present. Some no other registry requires. Could it be the me too's are winning the other hunt titles? interesting huh?

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quote:
Originally posted by Josh Michaelis
Shirley..........you can't be serious.

Anybody that knows coon dogs knows better

Guess I'm just as an idiot then....

And wouldn't know a coondawg if one walked up and bit me.

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HOBO
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quote:
Originally posted by Robert Johnson

By the way, the UKC World Champion can not be a me too dog. He/She has to tree a coon by themselves, during the second round of the hunt, with a non-hunting judge present. Some no other registry requires. Could it be the me too's are winning the other hunt titles? interesting huh?

Sure am glad I didn't say that.... They already think I don't know what I'm talking about

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shadinc
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Location: Louisiana
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I hate to play tennis against a blind guy. Every now and then he hears the ball coming and hits a winner. Everybody knows he can't see the ball, but he still wins a point. That's about what this thread sounds like.

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Josh Michaelis
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quote:
Originally posted by HOBO
Guess I'm just as an idiot then....

And wouldn't know a coondawg if one walked up and bit me.

You honestly think, making a dog a GR NT is harder to do than say......making one a Silver Champion?

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HOBO
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quote:
Originally posted by Josh Michaelis
You honestly think, making a dog a GR NT is harder to do than say......making one a Silver Champion?

Never once said that.

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deschmidt27
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Location: Burlington, CT
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quote:
Originally posted by Josh Michaelis
I would rather have 4 splits a mile apart than be in a calling contest for two hours with handlers pitching their dogs because they know their dogs are going to be there.

You can't "pitch" a dog for a first strike or tree... so as long as you have the better dog you should always be able to beat the ones "pitching" there's on your dogs strike and tree.

You can hunt a greyhound that is willing to chase a coon up a tree, and it doesn't make it a better "coon dog", just because it got "deep and alone".

And I'm speaking from experience... I have one of those deep and alone dogs, and that's the trait I dislike the most about him!

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Josh Michaelis
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Like I said, thankfully there is registry for people that like to hunt a dog that likes to hunt in a pack. It's just not for me

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I love dogs that hunt in a pack!!!! I just like mine to be split a little to the right or left of them with a coon!!!😜😜

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walkerman75
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Registered: Jan 2009
Location: berkeley springs w va
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quote:
Originally posted by HOBO
You can ask anyone that's ever hunted with me, I've never owned a me too type dog and will not own a me too type dogs.

There are other registries out there that cater to what you want. Why is it everyone is always trying to get ukc to change their rules to be more like the other guy? You don't see the ukc crowd going over to the other boards trying to get them to cater to ukc hunt rules.

Maybe JUST MAYBE everyone realizes that UKC'S title still carries more prestige than the other ones that are out there and they want to change the rules so their type of dog can win in ukc?

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quote:
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You honestly think, making a dog a GR NT is harder to do than say......making one a Silver Champion?

dont no bout harder. but it takes coon in every tree with plus points in the cast winner collum to make a dog grnite,,

circle an minus will get u that silver ch title wont they

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Josh Michaelis
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quote:
Originally posted by walkerman75
dont no bout harder. but it takes coon in every tree with plus points in the cast winner collum to make a dog grnite,,

circle an minus will get u that Silver ch title wont they

Yea, all you have to do is win about 40 casts with circle and minus points and it's all yours. Piece of cake, I'm surprised more people dont do it

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shadinc
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quote:
Originally posted by Craig Edwards
Why would anyone want to claim a win their dog did not actually win, and down deep they know it ????? Not me!!!!

Check the votes on this topic and ask the "no" voters.

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walkerman75
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quote:
Originally posted by Josh Michaelis
Yea, all you have to do is win about 40 casts with circle and minus points and it's all yours. Piece of cake, I'm surprised more people dont do it

wasnt saying had to b all that way.. just saying you can win your cast an money with circle or minus... gota have plus points in this registry

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Craig Edwards
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I would say the percentages on this post are fairly accurate across the board. Most handlers are honest, and want an honest win. There will always be a few that will do what they have to do to to win..no matter what.

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Kevin Deboy
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Registered: Feb 2015
Location: Rossville Indiana
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quote:
Originally posted by Robert Johnson
the dog that is ahead on the score card deserved the win. He/she outscored the others, and that is the name of the game, until it gets changed in the rules. I agree that there are many many folks who want to change the rules, so other dogs can win the most prestigeous title in the coon hunting world.....UKC WORLD CHAMPION!!

By the way, the UKC World Champion can not be a me too dog. He/She has to tree a coon by themselves, during the second round of the hunt, with a non-hunting judge present. Some no other registry requires. Could it be the me too's are winning the other hunt titles? interesting huh?

I have found this thread very interesting. I think we all agree that a good coon hound will win it's fair share regardless of the registry it is hunting in or the rules that are being used to score the hunt. I suppose we all have our own opinion about what titles earned are the most prestigious.

I believe last years UKC World Champion recently participated in the Russ Meyer invitational. Competing three nights in Missouri without winning a cast. I'm not in any way saying that this dog is not a fine hound and deserving of the titles it has earned. But you would think the dog winning the most prestigious title in the coon hunting world should have done better at this hunt.

The thing that impresses me the most about a hound is it's ability to win regardless of the geography or climate it is hunting in. One that can win deep and alone in Georgia but also be able to put on a coon treeing clinic in Northern Indiana or Southern Michigan.

Titles in all the registries are prestigious and difficult to obtain. The real good ones will most likely hunt and have titles in multiple KC's.

I'm checking the yes box on the original question.

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