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Best of luck with those pups. What are you each getting? I highly recommend each you share your experiences. Start a post and journal your hunts. It's fun to go back and read about your hunts.

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I'm getting a walker pup his dad is Harrys stylish Boom Boom. I was asking on here about what's anyone experiences with having a pup in the house and someone sent me to your post.

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I don't think it hurts em too bad. LOL!o

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Best of luck with those pups. What are you each getting? I highly recommend each you share your experiences. Start a post and journal your hunts. It's fun to go back and read about your hunts.

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Early starters are fun. I have been hunting for thirty years and have started several pups. I did not really start having success until I slowed way down. And let the pup grow and develop. I don't force anything. I don't use a bunch of caged coons and turn.outs. I live where a pup doesn't even have to leave the yard to find something to tree.
My last few pups I started:
Nite Champ Lotsagrit Rachel

A pure natural and as good a tree dog as you will ever find.

Nite CH Ices Lotsagrit Boone

Super accurate. This is at the 50 th Autumn Oaks. We missed the top ten registered by 25 points and won high scoring plott.

NT ch sq ch, Lotsagrit Sassy

Sassy was an original Mountain Cur that could hold her own in any company. I hunted her in PKC hunts and she won a little coin.
All of these dogs were naturals that did not need to be forced. 90% of the work is done in the breeding pen. Find out everything you can about a dogs family traits and if that is what suits you go for it. Then be patient and don't force it. Early starters are fun and exciting but we all really want a strong finisher.

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Has anybody seen my dog? I have several pictures of her posted. The video will help if anyone happens to hear her. Surely someone knows something because the dog I had out last night is not the same pup I have been hunting. I have had sorry dogs that looked better. It was a beautiful night. I saw coons moving on the roads. No excuses just pathetic dog work.

I hunted Jazz by herself. First drop we were hunting around corn. I had pulled back to a barn about 400 yards off the road. I cut Jazz on the west side of this corn field and she went to the east side, right along the road and struck. I turned on the collar lights, jumped in the truck and drove out. This is not an interstate type road but it is black top and a main artery for country folk, teenage drivers and scatter brains. I wasn't going to take the chance plus there is a house there. I get along the people in my neighborhood and want to keep it that way. So, I caught her two rows in the corn and we moved.

She has been barking in the box some and this is a bad habit and drives me nuts. When she barked, I grazed her with the Alpha as we're going down the road. Jazz is fairly sensitive. She is not the typical hound that can take a pretty good thumping and get up wagging his tail. I don't really like either type but the softer type is usually easier on my patience and blood pressure.

Next drop was around a bean field with fairly thick woods around it. These are flat woods and cutover about ten years ago. Lots of black berry that are ripening by the day! Jazz has been a little persnickety about busting through tough brush to find tracks and tonight was no different. She did not like having to fight her way in to find a coon. Gues what, too bad! A dog hunts where I put em down. So, I just parked it on the tailgate and let her decide. She wanted to hunt back out the lane we drove in on. She might be sensitive little girl, but I have my limits. She has never hunted this woods and I have hunted it for decades. I know where the coon are and she wasn't running the show!

Jazz finally decided the edge of the bean field wasn't all that bad and took off to the north. This episode took about 20 minutes to get the point across but she went. At about 210 yards she struck hard. She was in a finger of woods that sticks out into the bean field from the east. She was headed west and right into the belly of the briar beast. As I watched the Garmin she worked the track just right, opening about twice per minute and moving. At around 490 yards from me and 400 yards from where she started it, she located. She did not sound right so I waited. She located several times but never did get it right. She mopped around in that briar patch for and hour. I was not going to her and she was not quitting. Some might say that I needed to get in there and send her on. There are a couple reasons why I didn't. The first being that it is nearly impossible to catch a dog in there. You can get to a tree but I have seen Laurel thickets easier to get through. The other is the fact that she needs to learn how to work that patch, raise her head, tree on coons using air currents and such. There was coon there and sending her on would just reinforce treeing the easy one. Plus, if you read back, I have had issues with brush and grubbing out tough tracks. Nope, tonight she is on her own.

The short of it is this. She never did get treed. But she never gave up either. I did eventually catch her on the edge of the woods. Hunts like tonight can leave a trainer frustrated, or challenged. It my choice which path to take. Frustration usually leads to training mistakes that damage a young dog. Challenged means we are headed back to the cut over briar patch tonight. If she wants to tree one bad enough, she will figure it out.

Stay tuned!

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Most of the young hounds will hit a slump a time or to, then by 18 months to two years old they level out and those kind of nights become rare, hopefully. Bo hit a week or so of nights like you just described and I asked a friend if I should lay him up a couple weeks or continue hunting him and he told me to just keep hunting him. It was frustrating for a few more nights then he went back to clicking and all has been good since. Just keep hunting her Chris and she will come around. She is still WAY AHEAD of most pups her age. Take Care and Good Hunting!!

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Thanks Steve. Heading out here in a bit.
Keep me updated on that litter you are expecting. Did not think I was much on a bawl mouth tree dog until I heard yours in the video. Whew what a racket!

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You know, sometimes we men can get in too big of a hurry. We see the possibilities of what can be and we try to force it, instead of letting thing develop at a natural pace. Women on the other hand, see what can be and they nurture and are more patient.
Just like parenting, mothers are nurturers. They sense things about kids that dad's just don't see. Moms know how a kid is feeling while dads see what a child is doing. Dads want to fix, moms want to heal. This is why two parents understanding their roles is vital to child development. After raising three kids with wonderful wife who is comfortable in her maternal role and accepting of my paternal role, I have learned to listen to the softer viewpoint and accept its merits.

So, what does this have to do with training young dogs you ask? Well the last week of hunting Jazz I have seen pathetic work, a lack of drive and enthusiasm. My girls, after hearing about it said, maybe she is not having fun. Hhhhmmm. Of course the man al in me says " how could she not be having fun, I am hunting her quite a bit!" Then I started thinking about what she is doing when I am not pushing her and demanding excellence. The answer not much. She sits in her kennel and waits for it to get dark so we can hunt.
The last couple of days have consisted of four wheeler rides, swimming in the cool creek and relaxing in the house. Look at the photo below. Does it look like she might be missing being part of the family?

I know this is one of those points that most of you seasoned dog trainers will read and say this is an obvious point. I guess I am actually talking to the younger trainers. The folks who read about this wonder pup or that super dog and get frustrated. My advice; STOP PUSHING.
1) Don't be fooled into thinking that you have to have an 11 month old nite ch or a pkc baby stakes ch to be successful
2) we are looking for years of solid woods performances not flashes of youthful brilliance
3) Keep it fun. If you are frustrated, chances are your dog is too.
4) Never move forward until the issue is resolved. If you find your dog at a point that you can not fix move a step backwards and reinforce basics.

So, for me and Jazz, we will be taking a break during this hot spell. You will find us on the creek swimming at the pond fishing or just chilling out.

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You know, sometimes we men can get in too big of a hurry. We see the possibilities of what can be and we try to force it, instead of letting thing develop at a natural pace. Women on the other hand, see what can be and they nurture and are more patient.
Just like parenting, mothers are nurturers. They sense things about kids that dad's just don't see. Moms know how a kid is feeling while dads see what a child is doing. Dads want to fix, moms want to heal. This is why two parents understanding their roles is vital to child development. After raising three kids with wonderful wife who is comfortable in her maternal role and accepting of my paternal role, I have learned to listen to the softer viewpoint and accept its merits.

So, what does this have to do with training young dogs you ask? Well the last week of hunting Jazz I have seen pathetic work, a lack of drive and enthusiasm. My girls, after hearing about it said, maybe she is not having fun. Hhhhmmm. Of course the man al in me says " how could she not be having fun, I am hunting her quite a bit!" Then I started thinking about what she is doing when I am not pushing her and demanding excellence. The answer not much. She sits in her kennel and waits for it to get dark so we can hunt.
The last couple of days have consisted of four wheeler rides, swimming in the cool creek and relaxing in the house. Look at the photo below. Does it look like she might be missing being part of the family?

I know this is one of those points that most of you seasoned dog trainers will read and say this is an obvious point. I guess I am actually talking to the younger trainers. The folks who read about this wonder pup or that super dog and get frustrated. My advice; STOP PUSHING.
1) Don't be fooled into thinking that you have to have an 11 month old nite ch or a pkc baby stakes ch to be successful
2) we are looking for years of solid woods performances not flashes of youthful brilliance
3) Keep it fun. If you are frustrated, chances are your dog is too.
4) Never move forward until the issue is resolved. If you find your dog at a point that you can not fix move a step backwards and reinforce basics.

So, for me and Jazz, we will be taking a break during this hot spell. You will find us on the creek swimming at the pond fishing or just chilling out.

Thanks for reading.

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X3, great post Chris. It sounds like Jazz has done some incredible things for her age, but it's still a long drawn out process making one a finished top cooner even with the best of natural instincts like it appears she has!

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Took Jazz down on the creek for a fourwheeler ride and swim this evening and this happened. One minute we were wading the creek and the next she is 150 yards down the creek treed. She had momma up this big tree and there were three kits about 15 yards away. Stupid dog, can't we just chill out?

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Sounds as though Jazz loves it as much or more than you do. She just can't help herself.

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I think the "lay off" was just what Jazz needed. This was the second tree of the night. I cut her loose in Southfork Creek, upstream a 1/4 mile fr the house. She never looked back. She got struck at 570. Jazz finished up with a small coon in an Autumn Olive bush. When I snapped the picture of the Garmin I had moved about 270 closer up on high ground.

The first drop was in a cornfield. Jazz got in about 400
Yards and got struck. She ended up treed in a cedar thicket on a large black locust that I couldn't shine. She was nearly 800 yards from where I cut her loose.

Much better.

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Look out Jazz, big brother Crack is about to make his move and start tearing up the timber. Things are looking promising for him

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He looks good Nick. Keep us posted.
We got into a corn field last night that must have had a dozen coins in it. First time Jazz has ever seen anything like this. She acted like a crazy kid in a candy store. She finally settled on the one coon that had to tree in the thickest, nastiest blackberry patch I have been in for a while. There were coons sitting all around the field, guess she thought those were too easy!

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The Good Lord has blessed us with some cool nights this week. It was 59 Tuesday, 62 last night and 63 tonight. Cool weather and corn in the milk stage has been more than I can stand, so Jazz and I hit the cornfield again tonight.

Jazz left on a run, still not as hard as I would like to see but gone pretty quick. At 274 she struck. I was standing at the northeast corner of this field along a fence row with trees spreading it from a pasture. As I stood there listening to a hot race it sounded as if Jazz was really pouring the coal to it. I watched the Garmin and she was covering some ground and not wasting anytime. She turned the chase right to me at about 170 yards. As I stood there listening the coon popped out of the corn. That coon was as surprised to see me as I was him and he scurried up a ten inch sweet gum tree 15 feet away. I doused my light and got out of there thinking I didn't want to be there if Jazz was running that coon.

I got about 50 yards away and Jazz came out of the corn and let out a big clear locate and settled into a hard chop. I let her tree for several minutes. I was not in any hurry to shine because I knew she had him.

The next few nights I will be working. So, I decided to keep it positive thought for Jazz as she waited for the next night to hunt. I praised her all the way back to the truck and drove home happy.

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glad your hunting a bluetick. otherwise i prob wouldn't have followed along. sounds like u & jazz have a lot of fun.

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Thank you Pam. I am doing this for my own information and for all of the newer / younger hunters out there. I wanted to document a real account of taking a pup from weaning age to as far as I could, to show what
Really goes on training a young dog. Thanks again for reading.



Daughter Kora took this picture of Jazz and I on Southfork Creek at
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Nick, had the foresight to breed his female Jewel to Chief to get the litter that Jazz came from. A couple of days ago he wanted a picture of "framing" quality. I had no idea he was coming up with this!



What great treasure and thoughtful thing to do. Never had a breeder show this much interest. Thanks Nick Jennings.

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Great picture of you and Jazz in the creek. I like pictures that are set up nice like that. Nick that is super nice the way you put that together for Chris. Looks Great.

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Put both dates on here because we watched the sun go down and we watched it come up. I went over to Dubois County last night and hunted with some plott buddies who are getting ready for Plott Days. We had a ball. It was hot muggy and the coon did not move as much we liked. We dropped five times and walked to 10 different trees. Jazz was split treed four times last night.

I can say one thing Jazz is one independent little hussy. She has not been hunted a lot with other dogs but has never covered another dog in her life. She will tree with another dog on a tree that she sets up though. The wild thing is, she will not even go hunting with another dog. She will split off into another part of the world to do her own thing. I don't mind this as long as a dog hustles and hunts hard.

Jazz is still not getting gone like I want but she drifts out and gets her own thing going. We worked on that last night. Two of her split trees were over 600 yards away which I am pleased with at this point. A dog normally does not need to go farther than that to get under one here. It will all come together for us.

I pulled Jazz off the last tree this morning at 5:15. She had got in about 560 and struck a track in a cornfield. She did a nice job on the track and I heard her locate the right way. Looking at the Garmin, she was treed 625 yards out. We decided to drive around to her. When we got to the other side we were still 580 yards from her. She was treed on the edge a strip of beans that had been planted between a woods and a cornfield. There has been so much flooding that farmers lost the corn and are scrambling to make a crop. When we got to her she was on. 16 inch water maple. We found the coon pretty quickly. We also found his running buddy a couple of trees deeper in the woods.

This hunt was by far the hardest Jazz has been hunted at one time. I watched for signs of burnout. She was ready to get out of the truck at every drop. That last tree she was not treeing as hard as normal but guess what; I wasn't walking as fast as normal either. Lol. We were both whipped. As the sun came up I decided to make the three hour drive home. I felt good and wanted to avoid 90 degree heat, while hauling Jazz home. Funny how your Mind plays tricks on you. If I had left at 2 in the morning I would have struggled to stay awake. With the morning sun shining through the windshield and the cool morning air blowing through the window. It was no problem. The two coffees probably didn't hurt either.

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Man that is one awesome night of hunting. 5 dumps, and split treed 4 out of 10 times is unbelievable for a pup of this age. especially getting the distance between you and her and doing something with it. Sounds like Jazz layed the whoopin on them plotts.

you should do some mock trial hunts with a few of your buddies, and see what she averages . the Baby Stakes will be here before we know it

when does your hide season open? id love to get out there and pound the timber for a few nights with these pups of ours

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Nick she was split on every drop except 2. The first drop I picked her up too close to a road for my comfort. One other she checked in at the truck so I cut her hunt short by putting her in the box. She didn't like it much. Next drop she got in about 600 and got treed.

There are plenty of things to work on but I am liking about everything about her. The split trees are nice but I know that will kill her in thin coon unless she gets quicker.

The plotts I hunted with are tough. I've hunted these fellas a lot and they don't pack junk. Those plotts didn't get blown out. They got gone and got treed. It was a fun night.

Hunting season starts November 8. I got plenty of room in the bunkhouse. Heated showers and kitchen. Bring your Yankee hide on down here.

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Took Jazz out for some open country, cornfield work tonight. First drop she fired out and made loop right towards the dang road. Jumped in the yota and drove out the lane and headed her off. I gthered her up and went to another corn field. Cut her down the edge of the woods and she jammed one about 90 yards in. She was treed on the edge of the field on a big pin oak. I found the coon along with one sitting about fifty feet away. Next drop she got in about 375 and struck and just looked stupid. She wa showing treed but was not going anywhere. There are some old dozed piles in there and only thing I can figure is she was trying to figure it out. I was feeling pretty lazy while sitting on the tailgate and texting a buddy that was hunting about 150 miles north. Besides, she needs to figure out when to cash it in and move on so I left her in there. After 45 minutes of her working away into the woods and coming back I had all I could stand of this nonsense and I started to her. When I was about 100 yards from the truck she opened deeper. I checked the garmin and she was at 560. I thought good she fixed that. She was in a cornfield and I thought she would drive it into a patch woods in the middle of the section. As she got farther away I decided to drive around and back a farm lane that went right the woods. This was not a great track but she was moving it.

Once I got to the other side she tracked it down a fence row and back into a ditch back towards the other road I just came from. Back in the truck and back around I went. When I got to the other side she had crossed the road and was 400 yards in a deep holler. Long story short. She never did tree it. After it was evident that she was not going to get it done, I went in and got her and came to the house.
Notes for future hunts:
- get in there and get her moving. Too much time wasted on something she couldn't finish.
-cornfields and old tracks are over her young head. With the number of coon I am sure she was switching tracks.
- keep pushing her in the corn.
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