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Location: IA
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I agree I like glomskis idea also

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I like the idea of giving them time at the beginning of the track. If a change is made it would be best to get rid of the word "circle" and state exactly what is meant.
Example:
The pack will be eligible to score the first line of the track: a) after the dog or dogs have moved the track away from the cast and then brought it back to the area where it was jumped.
b) If the rabbit does not return to the area of the jump and the cast needs to move to mark a line then the line will be considered available and can be marked as soon as the rabbit is seen.

I'm sure that can be improved on but the general idea is to put into writing exactly what is meant by the new rule.

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Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Fresno Ohio
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After rereading Todd K post, I believe he is not wanting to have timed lines to give more scoring opportunities but to allow dogs to establish a track. You notice I did not say circle as I believe Todd K's idea doesn't necessarily concern or is intended to establish a circle. If this is correct then I think it could be a great idea if a balance can be achieved. Not bad for a bird dog guy. LOL!!!

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Registered: Sep 2007
Location: NE OHIO
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In Todd K's original post: "...the scoring of "circles" has been an issue..."

The inconsistency of what constitutes a circle is at the heart of the issue. It seems the focus is to eliminate inconsistencies in judging. I believe there are added benefits to timed lines. One example: Two casts. 1st pack takes a rabbit out and back in a big field with checkerboard lanes cut. After the first big "U", which is after the rabbit goes out and back then crosses the lane where jumped, it is scored. Then it goes way out and back on the other side of the lane and crosses where it could have been shot again, score it again. Two "U" s or one actual circle!? Scored twice.
Second pack in big woods runs as big of circle as first cast but rabbit crosses at top of hill after first half but too far away to shoot. No score. After second half of circle the rabbit crosses near jump/cast and is scored. Just as much hound work but one line scored. Or, if the track ends in a loss before the "circle" is completed, no line points and no jump points. Timed lines would be a benefit to consistent scoring in that scenario.

The discussion drifted some in determining when to score the first line. Most see an advantage in giving the pack a bit more time from the 1st dog struck until the first line in comparison to the second and third line.

It is speculation as to which type of dog will benefit. IMO the dogs that jump a lot of rabbits, stay accurate on the line, and run with good speed in relation to scenting conditions, will continue to dominate. Consistency in judging/scoring will be a benefit to the best and most consistent beagles.

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Originally posted by TOUCHSTONEBEAGL
I like the idea of giving them time at the beginning of the track. If a change is made it would be best to get rid of the word "circle" and state exactly what is meant.
Example:
The pack will be eligible to score the first line of the track: a) after the dog or dogs have moved the track away from the cast and then brought it back to the area where it was jumped.
b) If the rabbit does not return to the area of the jump and the cast needs to move to mark a line then the line will be considered available and can be marked as soon as the rabbit is seen.

I'm sure that can be improved on but the general idea is to put into writing exactly what is meant by the new rule.

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Score every minute from the time the first dog is struck. Be consistant on all casts that way.. Doesn't mean you will score every minute but gives a solid guideline.

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i agree with vicky and gieger score every min and leav dogs down score as many lines u want on 1 rabbit never liked catchin them after three lines on a good runnin rabbit!!!!

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