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If a hound is always alone I wouldn't keep it. I prefer them to tree the coon they smell first if they open, with or without company. It impresses me for a hound that breaks hard but slams a coon 30 yds from you as deep and lonely is getting lonely. It impresses me when a hound is 50 yds from the slick treeing hounds with a coon. It impresses me when the hounds are jacking around and a hound falls treed 200 yds or a mile deep and lonely. It really impresses me when a hound gaps the others on a working track and the others don't realize it. Equally impressive is when the others realize it on a good track but it sounds like two different races. Regardless of the preference on coon treeing type or tree style, I won't keep a hound that I can't tree on their first locate if need be. Still looking for the perfect hound.

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Originally posted by pamjohnson
i guess we all think a little different.
dead loner-always aloan one way or another.
loaner-likes to get aloan
independent-will do there own thing on track n tree without worring about what another dog is doing.

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Originally posted by Shawnee Creek B
If a hound is always alone I wouldn't keep it. I prefer them to tree the coon they smell first if they open, with or without company. It impresses me for a hound that breaks hard but slams a coon 30 yds from you as deep and lonely is getting lonely. It impresses me when a hound is 50 yds from the slick treeing hounds with a coon. It impresses me when the hounds are jacking around and a hound falls treed 200 yds or a mile deep and lonely. It really impresses me when a hound gaps the others on a working track and the others don't realize it. Equally impressive is when the others realize it on a good track but it sounds like two different races. Regardless of the preference on coon treeing type or tree style, I won't keep a hound that I can't tree on their first locate if need be. Still looking for the perfect hound.

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Anybody that has a GOOD,ACCURATE loner type and don't like it let me know!!I'll take them over a dog that can't do it alone,needs to pack/me too to tree a coon.
Where I hunt,we got enough coon that a GOOD loner will burn up a score card!!There alone w/125 while your splitting your coon 3 ways

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Because a dog don't stay alone all the time doesn't mean by no means that they have to pack to get a coon treed I'll take one whose independent but also has sense enough to get some of the others to any day.

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I'm willing to bet 90% of the people on hear that think the now anything good or bad about a dead lober have never spent many nights walking behind one ..

I also am willing to bet 90% couldn't handle one!

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I'm willing to bet 90% of the people on hear that think the now anything good or bad about a dead lober have never spent many nights walking behind one ..

I also am willing to bet 90% couldn't handle one!

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Originally posted by max destruction
I'm willing to bet 90% of the people on hear that think the now anything good or bad about a dead lober have never spent many nights walking behind one ..

I also am willing to bet 90% couldn't handle one!

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For sake of arguement of what "Loner" means, I will just say an ideal hound to me is one that is naturally, totally oblivious to what the other dogs it is cut with are doing. When 4 dogs are cut down a trail through a woods I want the dog that immediatly leaves the pack and goes its own direction. If the others open up on a hot track 100 yards down that path I do NOT want mine going to them, but rather continuing its own way doing its own thing. If it works a track and another dog comes to it and jumps in front of it and grabs the tree first then yes, ideally it trees with that dog, not because it is backing that dog but because that is where the track it is working ends. I hunted pack type dogs for years. I loved them and wouldn't trade the memories for anything, but now I've seen truely independant dogs and I like that much more and won't go back to the pack dogs. Maybe its mean. but few things have gave me more pleasure than being on a cast with 3 dogs treed and 4:45 minutes gone on their tree when mine split trees 80 yards away and the other 3 leave their tree to cover her. Does this make her a cull to the "pleasure" hunter? Do you want to drag a pack of hounds through the woods to do the work of 1 dog while pleasure hunting? When the female I hunt the most now was young, I actually had a guy ask me very seriously if I had cotton balls shoved in her ears=no she was\is just naturally independant and thats just the way I like it and what I will strive to keep and breed in the future. To me this is a pleasure dog. Though I pleasure hunt far more than comp hunt, I do comp hunt too and I like to win, but I really don't want to win because I am the first guy brave enough to hollar "tree" when all the dogs are treeing together. I want to win if and when I have the dog that is sitting off by itself treed with a coon. That gives me pleasure!

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Though I pleasure hunt far more than comp hunt, I do comp hunt too and I like to win, but I really don't want to win because I am the first guy brave enough to hollar "tree" when all the dogs are treeing together. I want to win if and when I have the dog that is sitting off by itself treed with a coon. That gives me pleasure!

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couldn't agree more

good post!!!

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Sometimes guys ask what I see in Roxy( very independent) I just smile and say LOTS OF COON:-)

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alot from this thread, especially there are several definitions as to what some terms mean to different folks.. This was enjoyable..

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I noticed it is the men in thick coon like loaners more then the men who have 1 coon in a section. I bet cold noses go just about the same because I have found the best track dogs where the coon are thin because there are less options.

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I hunt almost exclusively UKC and to me a dead loner may win some battles but come up short winning the war most times. You keep a cast killing 10 minutes between every tree walking it will eat up a lot of time plus most pass up coon trying to get away from the others i like a dog just as independent as a loner without the disfunction of having to be that way

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I noticed it is the men in thick coon like loaners more then the men who have 1 coon in a section. I bet cold noses go just about the same because I have found the best track dogs where the coon are thin because there are less options.

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I hunt almost exclusively UKC and to me a dead loner may win some battles but come up short winning the war most times. You keep a cast killing 10 minutes between every tree walking it will eat up a lot of time plus most pass up coon trying to get away from the others i like a dog just as independent as a loner without the disfunction of having to be that way

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Not here.
I found dogs that hunt in all 4 seasons have the better noses,and at least know how to use them.Coon population has nothing to do with it.
I've brought enough dogs up from the South to know I will never do it again.

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I think the right kind is good no matter where u dump him I have seen more blues that can't handle being hauled over 2hrs to a hunt they sull up to me that's more of a problem than anything

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Not here.
I found dogs that hunt in all 4 seasons have the better noses,and at least know how to use them.Coon population has nothing to do with it.
I've brought enough dogs up from the South to know I will never do it again.

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I'll take a loner or independent dog over some pack dog that can't tree a coon by itself any time. My male dog is naturally a loner or independent. You cut him loose in a pack he is gonna get to himself with a coon. He is five years old and to my knowledge hasn't back another dog. He has no problems if a dog packs with him but he isn't going to pack up. It can stink pleasure hunting at times but at least I know what he is gonna do and that's be under his own coon. If get a me tooing idiot they are gone. I want a dog to do its own thing. I agree with Perry most people have never had one so they don't know what they are missing.

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I will dissagre with you on that because I have tried to take dogs out of thick coons and put them in thin coons and never had good luck, about all I had was a tree jamming yapper that ran out of gass win the going got tough just stands to reason if a section has 50 coon in it you have more hot tracks and don't need to spend the time on a bad one but if there is only one coon you need to tree him good or bad.

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Can someone explain why they think an independent dog isn't a good pleasure dog?

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Don't think it's a independent dog they are saying don't make a good pleasure dog we all like a independent hound,it's the dead loner that's being talked about

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