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Went way overboard on this rule.what would be wrong with everyone carrying their tracking device of any type in off mode?Only to be used in time out.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Paint Creek English
.what would be wrong with everyone carrying their tracking device of any type in off mode?Only to be used in time out. [/QUOTE

Nothing wrong with it. Nothing wrong with carrying an empty gun either, but it makes them both useless...

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this will be the demise of ukc hunts.....if they think numbers are down now wait til this rule kicks in. i never wouldve imagined leaving a garmin on during a hunt.......JMO

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I think we coonhunters must be the slowest bunch on the planet when it comes to accepting change, The sport just isnt like it was 50 years ago, places to hunt have shrunk and at the same time the dogs we hunt go deeper and pack less. The garmin is a great tool,even the guys who critisized them up and down in the beginning now have one on their belt.
Just watch how quick the other KCs. change their policies to keep up.

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I think we coonhunters must be the slowest bunch on the planet when it comes to accepting change,

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I think we coonhunters must be the slowest bunch on the planet when it comes to accepting change, The sport just isnt like it was 50 years ago, places to hunt have shrunk and at the same time the dogs we hunt go deeper and pack less. The garmin is a great tool,even the guys who critisized them up and down in the beginning now have one on their belt.
Just watch how quick the other KCs. change their policies to keep up.

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this will be the demise of ukc hunts.....if they think numbers are down now wait til this rule kicks in. i never wouldve imagined leaving a garmin on during a hunt.......JMO

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Of course we are John. Hell, we still hunt with dogs. On the other hand, houndsmanship is purty old fashioned and it seems to be on a fastrac to obsoletion.

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this will be the demise of ukc hunts.....if they think numbers are down now wait til this rule kicks in. i never wouldve imagined leaving a garmin on during a hunt.......JMO

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Paint Creek English
.what would be wrong with everyone carrying their tracking device of any type in off mode?Only to be used in time out. [/QUOTE

Nothing wrong with it. Nothing wrong with carrying an empty gun either, but it makes them both useless...

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obsoletion ? ........... isnt that a religious thing?

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Come on, Really? Its going to be the end of the hunts? I think that's a bit melodramatic. There are lot of things working against them but I don't think someone being able to look at the Garmin is one of them. What does it matter to you if the guy knows where his dog is when it isn't barking? At least around here my ears have more range than the Garmin. Pkc is the only one left not doing it and you can look for that to change in the future.

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$KC will never change there rule. $KC has hunters on the board set down and work on rule changes. $KC does not change rules based on what company is giving out prizes for a hand full of big hunts.

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$KC will never change there rule. $KC has hunters on the board set down and work on rule changes. $KC does not change rules based on what company is giving out prizes for a hand full of big hunts.

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Id like to see all tracking/training systems allowed. Good for the sport, safety for the dogs, and ensures no time is wasted so we can all get home as soon as possible. Handling in a coonhound should be almost as important quality as tracking and treeing.

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"joey posted"
"I sat in on a meeting with UKC and a Garmin rep on this issue. From what I gathered ( it was not spelled out but its the point I got from the comment) Ukc was involved or almost involved in law suits over a dog being run over in a hunt. Basically the dog owner said that he had the tool to keep his dog safe and UKC would not allow its use. I don't think this has to do with Garmin as much as it is UKC covering them self.

DISCLAIMER!!! The reps did not say that was the reason, its just how I took a comment.

And by the way the other KC changed a policy for the use of the alpha as soon as it came out. They use hunters and a membership to help make decisions but make no mistake they are a business owned by one man not the membership and at the end of the day they will do what ever they think is best for business."

Well, Well, Well, I thought there may be more to this Garmin rule concerning the Alpha
The Alpha has a lighted collar option in training mode, but looks like dog safety has not been thought of much on this ruling.
Lighted collars are allowed, but not Alpha lighted collars
Someone at UKC or input from others have put way too much restriction on this "tone" issue.
I would venture a guess that over 80/90% of the dogs entered in our area have NEVER had any "Tone" conditioning.
If my dog gets beat just because some other dog got "toned" looks like I need a better dog, or get whoever "toned" his dog name on the barred list.
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I agree on bad decision. We just think there is a lot of problems in the hunts now, just wait till this goes into affect. There will be twice the talk of cheating as there is now. I guarante ya this just opened up the door twice as wide for the guys that want to cheat now.

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I agree on bad decision. We just think there is a lot of problems in the hunts now, just wait till this goes into affect. There will be twice the talk of cheating as there is now. I guarante ya this just opened up the door twice as wide for the guys that want to cheat now.

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Can someone give me some idea as to how a handler can cheat by using his Garmin?

Maybe Iam way off track with this but IMO there is a lot more cheating going on now without the use of Garmins than there ever would be if they were allowed to be used in competition.

How many times have you seen someone call their dog treed and another handler would argue that it was his dog and not theres.
How many times have you seen guys pitiching there dog on strikes only to hear them in the other direction just a minute later. This is just two small examples of what could happen on any cast. If Garmin's were allowed everyone could plainly see who's dog was where when struck and who's dog was treeing. If a handler is brave enough to tree his dog just because the Garmin says he is treed more power to him. Only problem is the Garmin will also be the first to say he is moving

Cheating is breaking the rules. If Garmins are allowed it is not cheating to use them. Again my question is if the whole cast sat around and called their dogs and watched the Garmin screen how is that cheating? If someone says well Ole Joe called his dog treed and he was out of hearing and had a coon so he beat me. That isn't cheating. Ole Joe's hound deserved those points and won fair and square. IMO

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Can someone give me some idea as to how a handler can cheat by using his Garmin?

Maybe Iam way off track with this but IMO there is a lot more cheating going on now without the use of Garmins than there ever would be if they were allowed to be used in competition.

How many times have you seen someone call their dog treed and another handler would argue that it was his dog and not theres.
How many times have you seen guys pitiching there dog on strikes only to hear them in the other direction just a minute later. This is just two small examples of what could happen on any cast. If Garmin's were allowed everyone could plainly see who's dog was where when struck and who's dog was treeing. If a handler is brave enough to tree his dog just because the Garmin says he is treed more power to him. Only problem is the Garmin will also be the first to say he is moving

Cheating is breaking the rules. If Garmins are allowed it is not cheating to use them. Again my question is if the whole cast sat around and called their dogs and watched the Garmin screen how is that cheating? If someone says well Ole Joe called his dog treed and he was out of hearing and had a coon so he beat me. That isn't cheating. Ole Joe's hound deserved those points and won fair and square. IMO

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Can someone give me some idea as to how a handler can cheat by using his Garmin?

Maybe Iam way off track with this but IMO there is a lot more cheating going on now without the use of Garmins than there ever would be if they were allowed to be used in competition.

How many times have you seen someone call their dog treed and another handler would argue that it was his dog and not theres.
How many times have you seen guys pitiching there dog on strikes only to hear them in the other direction just a minute later. This is just two small examples of what could happen on any cast. If Garmin's were allowed everyone could plainly see who's dog was where when struck and who's dog was treeing. If a handler is brave enough to tree his dog just because the Garmin says he is treed more power to him. Only problem is the Garmin will also be the first to say he is moving

Cheating is breaking the rules. If Garmins are allowed it is not cheating to use them. Again my question is if the whole cast sat around and called their dogs and watched the Garmin screen how is that cheating? If someone says well Ole Joe called his dog treed and he was out of hearing and had a coon so he beat me. That isn't cheating. Ole Joe's hound deserved those points and won fair and square. IMO

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"Lol, Funny I look on UKC board today and they are now allowing garmin usage during the hunts. Think PKC should have been quicker on the draw or at least follow suit. Roads are a problem and I think if we now have the technology then use it!"


Look at what I found on PKC board. They are now argueing about Garmin use just like on here.

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