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First of all, if you think just because a dog makes it to the finals it is some kind of special. Coon treeing machine that Never makes mistakes .......you have another thing coming.

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Al, I'm not about to say ANYTHING about another mans dog on here. But everyone can read the play by play and get some idea of what those dogs did on that particular night in that particular country. And then you can think about a few other things, like how often do Alvis, Asa and Randy throw their lights up together and not find a coon that is there? I don't know but I have a purty good idea. But the bottom line is that if you weren't there, you could not possibly know what those trees looked like or what the conditions were.


This thread, like all threads has really gotten off track. But heck, a thread can't go 6 pages without straying. If you all go back and read the very first post on this thread, I never suggested this as a poll to let the top 100 choose the next World Hunt site. I just thought maybe UKC might find it useful, in choosing the next site, to know what those top 100 would prefer in a place to compete next time. But then, they might just already know that

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looks like the hot nosed northern dogs done good down south

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Al, I'm not about to say ANYTHING about another mans dog on here. But everyone can read the play by play and get some idea of what those dogs did on that particular night in that particular country. And then you can think about a few other things, like how often do Alvis, Asa and Randy throw their lights up together and not find a coon that is there? I don't know but I have a purty good idea. But the bottom line is that if you weren't there, you could not possibly know what those trees looked like or what the conditions were.


This thread, like all threads has really gotten off track. But heck, a thread can't go 6 pages without straying. If you all go back and read the very first post on this thread, I never suggested this as a poll to let the top 100 choose the next World Hunt site. I just thought maybe UKC might find it useful, in choosing the next site, to know what those top 100 would prefer in a place to compete next time. But then, they might just already know that

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looks like the hot nosed northern dogs done good down south

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Yup treed one coon
personally i think it’s good to spread the hunts around, i can understand the idea of wanting to hunt in a area where there are more coons , its more exiting and the tree happy hounds look better , but isn’t this suppose to represent the best dogs in the world ? all the hounds in the finals had handlers that had been there before so you know they had good Coon dogs. they all had the equal chance of treeing a coon, iv been to the world hunts more than one time. and i know how it works the Gide takes the final cast to the best turn outs he possibly knows, so he will give them the best opportunity to tree a coon, it only took one coon to win that’s all they needed ..........im just saying

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I don't usually take part in back and forth postings. But, much has been said in question of the quality of hunting and performance in this years final cast. I would like to share some information to help paint a true picture for experienced coonhunters to base their judgements on. The first two trees were no less than 30 foot cedar trees surrounded by like trees, leaving very little openings for clear view from top to bottom, the third tree was not just one hedge apple but three completely encompassed with grape vines. The fourth tree was a monster oak in the middle of thick woods. I have found these to be the preferred trees on nights when the moon id full and you can read a newspaper without a light, as it was during the final cast. The guide successfully placed the cast in a place where coons were present and moving. The hounds did an excellent track in moving and treeing coon. As for the use of third round results to base the coon population on, keep in mind in rained more than 2 inches in the first 6 hours of that rounds hunting time. Note that the crowned world champion treed a coon and was plussed during the heaviest of this rain.

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I don't usually take part in back and forth postings. But, much has been said in question of the quality of hunting and performance in this years final cast. I would like to share some information to help paint a true picture for experienced coonhunters to base their judgements on. The first two trees were no less than 30 foot cedar trees surrounded by like trees, leaving very little openings for clear view from top to bottom, the third tree was not just one hedge apple but three completely encompassed with grape vines. The fourth tree was a monster oak in the middle of thick woods. I have found these to be the preferred trees on nights when the moon id full and you can read a newspaper without a light, as it was during the final cast. The guide successfully placed the cast in a place where coons were present and moving. The hounds did an excellent track in moving and treeing coon. As for the use of third round results to base the coon population on, keep in mind in rained more than 2 inches in the first 6 hours of that rounds hunting time. Note that the crowned world champion treed a coon and was plussed during the heaviest of this rain.

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well that clears a lot up for me
we still gota remember it is still like summer in most places , and lots of leaves still in the trees! so that helps my thinkin out a lot as far as Quality goes, Good post !

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Yeah glad you told the story.Cedar trees and hedge apples are tough even in the winter.Thanks for tellin the facts.

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I don't usually take part in back and forth postings. But, much has been said in question of the quality of hunting and performance in this years final cast. I would like to share some information to help paint a true picture for experienced coonhunters to base their judgements on. The first two trees were no less than 30 foot cedar trees surrounded by like trees, leaving very little openings for clear view from top to bottom, the third tree was not just one hedge apple but three completely encompassed with grape vines. The fourth tree was a monster oak in the middle of thick woods. I have found these to be the preferred trees on nights when the moon id full and you can read a newspaper without a light, as it was during the final cast. The guide successfully placed the cast in a place where coons were present and moving. The hounds did an excellent track in moving and treeing coon. As for the use of third round results to base the coon population on, keep in mind in rained more than 2 inches in the first 6 hours of that rounds hunting time. Note that the crowned world champion treed a coon and was plussed during the heaviest of this rain.

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Its time to have the bigger hunts in areas with no leaves.

Maybe 1st of November most areas in the north,the leaves are gone.Deer{gun} season has not come in.
Perfect fall coonhunting weather!!

Lets take the "circle" out of the hunt.either coon or no coon

Kalamazoo,mi. has a fairgrounds{hometown of ukc}

Coldwater,mi.{very southern,mi.} has fairgrounds right next to 2 major highways;I69 and 80/90 tollroad.

Yes.....even if I don't have a dog in the hunt,i'd still guide a cast or 2

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i have to agree with you on this if they held the world hunt in Kalamazoo look at how many clubs are with in a hour of that town, if they could get 3 or 4 of them as satilight clubs they would have no problem putting all cast into coon and should have guides left over.
they could hold it at Centerville Mi fair grounds or CassopolisMi fair grounds, the beagle word hunt is this weekend at Centerville and i know they held Autumn oaks at both of these places back in the 70's and had plenty of guides and room's the people from UKC go all over all year long maybe they should make the last big hunt of the year so that people come to them. JMO

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u have to have a coondog to hunt down here, you wont have 4 coons to every tree down here you gonna have one to go hunting and find him

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beyond belief .........there isn't a coon every 100yards.
dogs still have go hunt,more important is to have a coon in the tree!!

when the leaves are gone and the ground is frosted,you'll find out what you got for a "coondog".

btw;coon travel at different times here.some before sun down,some at dark,some not til 3-5am!!
seen nights can't even get a bark too.

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beyond belief .........there isn't a coon every 100yards.
dogs still have go hunt,more important is to have a coon in the tree!!

when the leaves are gone and the ground is frosted,you'll find out what you got for a "coondog".

btw;coon travel at different times here.some before sun down,some at dark,some not til 3-5am!!
seen nights can't even get a bark too.

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I don't usually take part in back and forth postings. But, much has been said in question of the quality of hunting and performance in this years final cast. I would like to share some information to help paint a true picture for experienced coonhunters to base their judgements on. The first two trees were no less than 30 foot cedar trees surrounded by like trees, leaving very little openings for clear view from top to bottom, the third tree was not just one hedge apple but three completely encompassed with grape vines. The fourth tree was a monster oak in the middle of thick woods. I have found these to be the preferred trees on nights when the moon id full and you can read a newspaper without a light, as it was during the final cast. The guide successfully placed the cast in a place where coons were present and moving. The hounds did an excellent track in moving and treeing coon. As for the use of third round results to base the coon population on, keep in mind in rained more than 2 inches in the first 6 hours of that rounds hunting time. Note that the crowned world champion treed a coon and was plussed during the heaviest of this rain.

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how come the sothern guys think you have to have a coondog in the south but any thing can tree a coon up north look at the top 20 dogs at ukc world mostly northern dogs winning in the south funny how that works

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Exciting final cast?If I remember right it took 1 hour and 50 mins for them to see one coon.Thats pretty lame and I don't think it was because of the dog power.I think location I key to a good hunt then if conditions are bad that's out of our hands.jmo

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Al, I see no criticism of anything specific, dog, cast.....ect.

This is a discussion about holding hunts where there is a slim possibility of treeing more than 1 coon in 2 hrs. Surely, even you are capable of understanding that treeing 1coon is a pretty poor way to gauge the best dog in a cast.

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Al, I see no criticism of anything specific, dog, cast.....ect.

This is a discussion about holding hunts where there is a slim possibility of treeing more than 1 coon in 2 hrs. Surely, even you are capable of understanding that treeing 1coon is a pretty poor way to gauge the best dog in a cast.

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lol,go back and re-read play by play.there was plenty of me too'n going on!

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how come the sothern guys think you have to have a coondog in the south but any thing can tree a coon up north look at the top 20 dogs at ukc world mostly northern dogs winning in the south funny how that works

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I know they made 4 trees and seen 1 coon.Found out a week later it was because of tall cedar trees and hedge apples covered in grape vines.Ive never hunted in E-town so I don't know how many coon are there.Sounds like they just had a rough night of hunting.Ive had my share of those with a good dog.I apologize for sayin what I was thinking.

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I know they made 4 trees and seen 1 coon.Found out a week later it was because of tall cedar trees and hedge apples covered in grape vines.Ive never hunted in E-town so I don't know how many coon are there.Sounds like they just had a rough night of hunting.Ive had my share of those with a good dog.I apologize for sayin what I was thinking.

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Probably a pretty safe bet that those 3 dogs in the final cast are all capable of putting up a big score if put in the right place.
The idea that putting them in thin coon is a better test of a dog makes no sense at all, you cut four dogs into big timber with sparce coon and you just make it pure luck, they are going to get alone and the lucky dog that finds that lone coon is a world champion. Look at the number of dogs that advanced through the early rounds with 225+
There are still alot of places in this country where in 2 hours an average cast of dogs will score on 4 or 5 coon and at the end of the night you know who is leading the dog that can get parked under a coon faster than the rest.

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