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hey guys whats your input on a honest cold nosed dog that often gets first strike on cold sent that most dogs wont strike on?

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hey guys whats your input on a honest cold nosed dog that often gets first strike on cold sent that most dogs wont strike on?

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hey guys whats your input on a honest cold nosed dog that often gets first strike on cold sent that most dogs wont strike on?

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hey guys whats your input on a honest cold nosed dog that often gets first strike on cold sent that most dogs wont strike on?

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With 100 points at stake in a format that awards the win to the dog with the most points, NOBODY CARES IF THE DOG IS HONEST OR NOT.
This is proven by the simple fact that everyone on this forum hates a babbler, they all see them every weekend and yet nobody has one.
A dog that barks first is a definite advantage in competition. That is the bottom line.

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Do these cold nosed dogs you're referring to find a cold track and strike the second you unsnap them on every drop?

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So that makes it ok to cheat by continuously striking a dog you know is babbling??? WOW

And yet people keep asking "why aren't people showing up to the hunts like they used to" lol

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allowing a dog to babble is the handlers fault. It can be stopped or at least controlled. As another post said, many are trying to start dogs way to early with dogs they can't keep up with, so the pups are trained to run dogs instead of coons. This is never good...period. I am a firm believer you don't need a "Pup Trainer" to train a dog. All you need is a dog with natural instinct, plenty of game to start, and hours and hours of woods time.

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Its not cheating if the rules state you have to strike your dog after the minute is up and on or before the 3rd bark. Besides, prove that they are wrong.

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Its not cheating if the rules state you have to strike your dog after the minute is up and on or before the 3rd bark. Besides, prove that they are wrong.

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Their opinion is. If you strike in front of them. Your hunting a babbler. Most of em don't even know what a babbler is.

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Originally posted by masonman1974
well not a true babbler but will open on cold sent quikly but other than being cold nosed and opening a lot is a good dog..can go get his own coon ...

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if you wanna know if you got a babbler or not,hunt them in thin coon country with a honest strike dog.that honest strike dog might just make that babbler look silly.in thin coon country there be some drops the honest strike want even bark and them babblers will be bawling all over the country,but getting nothing done.only was a babbler can compete is in thick coons.

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if you wanna know if you got a babbler or not,hunt them in thin coon country with a honest strike dog.that honest strike dog might just make that babbler look silly.in thin coon country there be some drops the honest strike want even bark and them babblers will be bawling all over the country,but getting nothing done.only was a babbler can compete is in thick coons.

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The judge can minus a dog that he says is babbling. The only time it is voted on is if the handler calls for a vote. The judge can minus a dog for running off game without seeing it if he wants. It does not have to be proven but it can be overturned with a majority cast vote. The main thing is you got to have a judge with enough guts to minus the dog and handlers that are honest. The other problem is cutting right on top of buckets and getting those pop up coon. The main problem however is starting pups to young and not correcting the fault.

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Used to be Babbling was a dog that left baking because it was excited, but usually straightened up after a bit.

We now have dogs that may leave without a bark, then open 100-200 yards away and never shut up the rest of the nite. It is almost impossible to minus this type of dog....I don't care how big your sack is.

A little excided babbling can easily be hunted/trained out of a dog.....The other kind is bred that way IMO.

This type of dog has gotten so common that most hunters really believe they are running a track, and think most honest strike dogs are silent.

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it would be ignorant to rank a coon hunter by how many pkc$ they have earned

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Just like I thought you can't answer what I asked, guys like you make me smile in a cast. Your kind are the first arguing your minus points on your honest dogs slick tree. And ya I know at the house your honest dog is the most accurate hound out there but when you come to town it's nothing but excuses. Just keep ol bozo tied up behind the barn where he can be the coo hounds world best kept secret. When a comp dog can show ya 4 plus coons I 2 hours it just proves he is a babbling tree grabbing idiot. Like I said keep bringing ol honest bozo to town the rest of us need a reality ckeck

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I thought we were discussing the fact that 100 points per coon treed are awarded to the first dog that BARKS. Still have not seen a good explanation for that. Can someone please explain that to me. I'm a little slow sometimes.

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Are we breeding competition dogs that false bark when you turn them loose to steal strike points from the honest strike dog?Of course we are just being honest about it .

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no way to prove they are babbling that's what we need to accept and realize you can't award more points for opening quicker and still give the correct dog the cast win

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I have had this happen: The babbling idiots bark all they want then when the minute is up they strike them because they have yet to shut up but is ok now cause the minute is up, but let a honest dog be struck before the minute be up & they want them minused for babbling, it is one of the dumbest rules ever made, would rather it be like it use to be, what was it 3 barks leaving & they get one warning the next time they are scratched. We use to break them from babbling now it is ok, what a joke it is now. By the way I still break mine from babbling!!!

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Any dog struck under a minute goes in for 50. This will take a lot a pressure off of the judge. This will also take a lot of the bickering away on dogs babbling or not. People can handle a 25 pt difference but 75 points is hard to swallow. Many times the judge is put in a tough place. This doesn't mean we stop minusing babbling when its obvious!

Was spectating on a hunt last night. 3 dogs opened under a minute. All three handlers with dogs struck said it didn't sound like no coon track.

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how many guy's have a dog that will strike on the leash ? I do we were on a hunt one night on a time out walking out and my dog stood on his hind legs I said I got 20 bucks there is a coon right here we called time in agreed to split strike my dog was last to strike and first to tree lol ! I still lost that night but had a good time

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funny this keeps coming up.

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I Love To Listen To A Good Race But Awarding MorE Points F Ore Barking Firsthas Caused Us To ToleraTe Bn Undesirable Trait

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