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How can you award someone circle points if majority of cast dnt agree its a circle tree I dnt no everything but have been in this situation on 2 different occasions and no tree points was awarded because there was not a majority of cast vote don't see how you can award a dog circle points with out a majority vote nor could you minus or plus tree with out a majority vote

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by juddman
[B]How can you award someone circle points if majority of cast dnt agree its a circle tree I dnt no everything but have been in this situation on 2 different occasions and no tree points was awarded because there was not a majority of cast vote don't see how you can award a dog circle points with out a majority vote

3 dog cast. 1 handler votes plus. 1 handler votes minus. and 1 handler votes circle.
4 dog cast 2 handlers vote minus. 2 handlers vote plus. Tree is Circled. All tie votes with hunting judge is circled.


On the 2 occasions you mentioned, how did you score it If it was a tie vote?

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How can you award someone circle points if majority of cast dnt agree its a circle tree I dnt no everything but have been in this situation on 2 different occasions and no tree points was awarded because there was not a majority of cast vote don't see how you can award a dog circle points with out a majority vote nor could you minus or plus tree with out a majority vote

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ALL cast members MUST vote on how to score each and every tree, this means it is also mandatory for ALL cast members to go to each tree and participate in the scoring. Anything short of this is a scratchable offense, even in the essence of saving time it is not permissible to do it any other way. A cast member still retains their right to vote even if they are scratched, so the only time they loose that right is when they load up and go home. Page 118,119 Advisor.

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Sounds like I got screwed last year at eng days we had a 2 and 2 vote and it got deleted I guess That's the way it goes lol sorry if I've offended you guys I was just trying to find out the rite way to score it. Sure dnt seem fair to receive points be it plus minus or circle if there's not a majority vote oh well I didn't write the rules lol

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Jud, circled points are only good for a tie breaker.

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Yes I know and if I would of had 50 more circle points instead of deleted I would have been cast winner

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Yes I know and if I would of had 50 more circle points instead of deleted I would have been cast winner

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Bum deal.....knowledge of the rules helps alotbof people win a cast because the judge ain't always the smartest about the rules.

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Yes I know and if I would of had 50 more circle points instead of deleted I would have been cast winner

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Yep that's the way it goes I've talked to 3 master of hounds and they have all said if there is a 2 and 2 vote on a scoreing a tree it gets deleted I think UKC needs to make this more clear because it seems that I'm not the only one that thinks it takes a majority vote lol oh well

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Yep that's the way it goes I've talked to 3 master of hounds and they have all said if there is a 2 and 2 vote on a scoreing a tree it gets deleted I think UKC needs to make this more clear because it seems that I'm not the only one that thinks it takes a majority vote lol oh well

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the cast should remain together . if your going to tie a seperate dog then it should be tied before shine time starts otherwise the first tree is shined and scored then proceed to the next tree rule states a dog must remain treed atleast five minutes so in some cases it might be treed longer

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the cast should remain together . if your going to tie a seperate dog then it should be tied before shine time starts otherwise the first tree is shined and scored then proceed to the next tree rule states a dog must remain treed atleast five minutes so in some cases it might be treed longer

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I was gonna ask if anyone had ever actually seen a cast winner determined by the 4th tiebreaker but apparently juddman has. I bet it is purty rare though.

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You are correct Mr. A, I do read the advisor, just not into the 'cut and past' but sure would like to see it as a whole just like the "rules" are on the web site as a whole body of work.

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Yep, you are absolutely right on that.
But everytime I have ever seen it come up in a hunt, everyone agreed to let that 4th guy go handle his dog and wait at his tree till the other 3 score their tree. Never seen it go back to the MOH. However, if any one of those 4 handlers isn't onboard with doing it that way, you better just sit on your hands at that first tree till the 4th guy gets back and then score it. And no, you can't call timeout while you wait .

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Jim you can stop your shine time clock though right and start it when he gets back?

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I thought that the rule said that the judge "may" give permission for a handler to go handle his dog on a split tree???? Doesn't the handler have to ask the judge for "permission" to go handle his dog? If that handler doesn't agree to the rest of the cast scoring the tree without him, then he doesn't get to go and handle his dog.

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No, that rule says "shall", not "may". Big difference.
I may be wrong but I have always interpreted the rule as saying the handler must ask the judge permission to go handle his dog and the judge must give that permission to go handle if the dogs tree is dead.
Requiring a handler to ask for something that must be provided may not make sense at first but I have always figured the reason for requiring the handler to ask first is so the judge can keep control and always know where everyone is and where they are going as opposed to a handler just leaving to go handle his dog without the judge even knowing about it.

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I thought that the rule said that the judge "may" give permission for a handler to go handle his dog on a split tree???? Doesn't the handler have to ask the judge for "permission" to go handle his dog? If that handler doesn't agree to the rest of the cast scoring the tree without him, then he doesn't get to go and handle his dog.

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