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Originally posted by Brian Jennewein
This sure sounds like our cast on Sat. night in Cuba.We made a den tree,circled it,then one dog drew two fifty minus for being declared treed and leaving twice.Then three dogs were declared treed,when we arrived the fourth dog was handled at the tree.The handler with the black dog got his first two to shine and found an opossum about three feet off the ground on the outside of the tree.All dogs were treed up the base of the tree,not that it mattered but i would believe if they wanted the opossum they wouldve pulled it out.Anyways as we shined we found a kitten in that tree and another sitting further down in another tree.Two handlers see it and two dont,so there is no majority,the only thing there is a majority on is the opossum.The handler with the black dog questions it and we went to the master of hounds.I stated to the master of hounds and the panel that was formed this exact thing,that we all seen the opossum but only two of us saw the coon,so you only have a majority on the opossum.They the panel made up of very well respected men,voted for us to circle it and continue our hunt.At which time the dog with two fifty minus was withdrawn and the dog that came into the tree was withdrawn.I was the judge on the cast and i know the rules as good as anyone,i did not question the call,it was my job as the judge to put the question on the card and the rest was up to the master of hounds.Now if anyone feels cheated,remember know one made you withdraw you did that yourself.Now my number is at the bottom of this page anyone that wants to discuss this further give me a call.

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I HAVE NOTHING IN IT BUT THE MOH MADE THE WRONG CALL!!!!

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Got a ? for ya, I've been considering buying the new Alpha Garmin, I saw in a recent advisor the rule pertaining to its use in the hunts but I can't find it again, can you please post it for me? If my memory is right I can use the collar but I will have to leave the hand held unit in the truck. Am I right? Thanks

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Allen I agree, I will never get this one wrong again. It was a very good learning experience for me. I would like to add that durring the discussion the hunters involved remained pretty calm ,the panel had a hard time coming up with it's choice on how to rule, and the rules on how to handle the situation were followed exactly.
I wish as part of the panel I would have gotten it right but just goes to show that everyone can still have something to learn. It was one I had never seen in almost 30 years of night hunting.

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Got a ? for ya, I've been considering buying the new Alpha Garmin, I saw in a recent advisor the rule pertaining to its use in the hunts but I can't find it again, can you please post it for me? If my memory is right I can use the collar but I will have to leave the hand held unit in the truck. Am I right? Thanks

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Allen I agree, I will never get this one wrong again. It was a very good learning experience for me. I would like to add that durring the discussion the hunters involved remained pretty calm ,the panel had a hard time coming up with it's choice on how to rule, and the rules on how to handle the situation were followed exactly.
I wish as part of the panel I would have gotten it right but just goes to show that everyone can still have something to learn. It was one I had never seen in almost 30 years of night hunting.

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You're right. I find myself in the same boat every now and then still. Just when you think you've heard it all....... there's yet another one with a twist you've never heard ruled on before. lol.

I remember one from personal experience that baffled me at the time. Dog was tied to a sapling. Yanked it's lead from the sapling while the cast is squalling and shining a separate tree. Dog takes off back on trail again, with lead strap in tow, and trees on the edge of the woods. ??

Always enjoy good rules discussions though. Fun to see if someone can come up with one that stumps you.

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SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO USE COMMON SENSE AND MULTIPULE RULE'S TO SCORE A TREE,IF ANY HANDLER DOES NOT AGREE WITH IT,THEY HAVE THE WRIGHT TO QUESTION IT,MASTER OF HOUNDS MAKE MISTAKE'S AND SO DO PANEL'S WE ARE HUMAN IT HAPPEN'S,I WAS ASK BY A HANDLER IN THE CAST THAT NIGHT IN CUBA HOW I THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE SCORED,AND I TOLD HIM FROM HOW HE DESCRIBED IT TO ME,3 DOG'S UNDER TREE WITH POSSUM IN IT SCRATCHED,4TH DOG IF HE CAME IN AFTER JUDGE ARRIVED STRIKE POINTS DELETED AND CONTINUED TO HUNT,IF 4TH DOG WAS ON THE TREE WHEN JUDGE ARRIVED HE WAS SCRATCHED TOO,ALLEN AM I WRIGHT IF NOT LET ME KNOW,IN CASE THIS COMES UP IN A CAST I AM IN SOMETIME.

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SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO USE COMMON SENSE AND MULTIPULE RULE'S TO SCORE A TREE,IF ANY HANDLER DOES NOT AGREE WITH IT,THEY HAVE THE WRIGHT TO QUESTION IT,MASTER OF HOUNDS MAKE MISTAKE'S AND SO DO PANEL'S WE ARE HUMAN IT HAPPEN'S,I WAS ASK BY A HANDLER IN THE CAST THAT NIGHT IN CUBA HOW I THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE SCORED,AND I TOLD HIM FROM HOW HE DESCRIBED IT TO ME,3 DOG'S UNDER TREE WITH POSSUM IN IT SCRATCHED,4TH DOG IF HE CAME IN AFTER JUDGE ARRIVED STRIKE POINTS DELETED AND CONTINUED TO HUNT,IF 4TH DOG WAS ON THE TREE WHEN JUDGE ARRIVED HE WAS SCRATCHED TOO,ALLEN AM I WRIGHT IF NOT LET ME KNOW,IN CASE THIS COMES UP IN A CAST I AM IN SOMETIME.

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SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO USE COMMON SENSE AND MULTIPULE RULE'S TO SCORE A TREE,IF ANY HANDLER DOES NOT AGREE WITH IT,THEY HAVE THE WRIGHT TO QUESTION IT,MASTER OF HOUNDS MAKE MISTAKE'S AND SO DO PANEL'S WE ARE HUMAN IT HAPPEN'S,I WAS ASK BY A HANDLER IN THE CAST THAT NIGHT IN CUBA HOW I THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE SCORED,AND I TOLD HIM FROM HOW HE DESCRIBED IT TO ME,3 DOG'S UNDER TREE WITH POSSUM IN IT SCRATCHED,4TH DOG IF HE CAME IN AFTER JUDGE ARRIVED STRIKE POINTS DELETED AND CONTINUED TO HUNT,IF 4TH DOG WAS ON THE TREE WHEN JUDGE ARRIVED HE WAS SCRATCHED TOO,ALLEN AM I WRIGHT IF NOT LET ME KNOW,IN CASE THIS COMES UP IN A CAST I AM IN SOMETIME.

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I MENT CIRCLE BUT I SAID DELETE,THERE IS ONE OF MY HUMAN ERRORS.

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My last night in Cuba I had serious rule problems . We had a three dog cast. Turned dogs lose and heard nothing for an hour. I ask about calling time the judge said he didn't think we would have time to find them. before the hour I didn't really understand but every one besides me seemed to. We went to the truck and drove around another 20 minutes
And finally called time. My and the judge's dogs were 1.2 miles and treed
. We had to cross two or three of what the locals call V bottoms to get to them. The good thing is they stayed treed for 45 minutes plus with a coon. When we get back to the truck the other cast member has retrieved his dog and the guide is saying that he got back 3 minutes late to continue the cast. They check the judges watch against the guides they are 3 minutes apart so the other dog was 11/2 minutes early and can hunt and our guide says we would be cheating the other people at the hunt if we cast our dogs with a score of 0 and 40 minutes left to hunt. My question is if all dogs are out and no one is being held up from from hunting how can a time out be delaying the cast and does that rule apply in this case?

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My last night in Cuba I had serious rule problems . We had a three dog cast. Turned dogs lose and heard nothing for an hour. I ask about calling time the judge said he didn't think we would have time to find them. before the hour I didn't really understand but every one besides me seemed to. We went to the truck and drove around another 20 minutes
And finally called time. My and the judge's dogs were 1.2 miles and treed
. We had to cross two or three of what the locals call V bottoms to get to them. The good thing is they stayed treed for 45 minutes plus with a coon. When we get back to the truck the other cast member has retrieved his dog and the guide is saying that he got back 3 minutes late to continue the cast. They check the judges watch against the guides they are 3 minutes apart so the other dog was 11/2 minutes early and can hunt and our guide says we would be cheating the other people at the hunt if we cast our dogs with a score of 0 and 40 minutes left to hunt. My question is if all dogs are out and no one is being held up from from hunting how can a time out be delaying the cast and does that rule apply in this case?

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The guide was not the judge or a cast member and had no business keeping time but I was 600 miles from home and probly 40 miles from Cuba and had loaned my truck to another cast . I thought the rule was created to protect hunters who's dogs are finding game with in hearing and are tracking and treeing coon . From losing hunting time and maybe not finishing hunt time chasing a dog or dogs that are lost . Not to punish a whole cast that was put in thin coon and a tough terrain .We had two dogs treeing hard and could not hear them at 500 yards . We stayed with the one dog that beat the clock by 11/2 minutes we moved he did barely get a coon in the 40 minutes and did a nice job of treeing a lay up . I found it for him while my dog was in the box .

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