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i didnt know that grit and speed was in the same sentence with slowtic i mean bluetic

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just a joke dont loose sleep over it haha

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If u have something ud like to compare come on with it. If u sing it u better bring it! No sleep lost!

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a guy i know has a pup coming from john ray it is going to be very pricey for a pup by the time it lands on his doorstep . im very interested to see how it turns out .my buddy said ol man ray told him they are bred not strickly from bluetick from day one.some of it he added was not even hound.but if they are kicking butt in the woods that is what matters.my yard is full of grade dogs .i went with what worked for me.my buddy has run every color ,but is partial to plott.im interested to see if he ends up with a yard full of these ray dogs.

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Don't know if I would call them crossbreeds but not pure bred.

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He has been breeding big game blues for 50 years. Very few breeds are "pure" bred after that much time. I don't look for "pure" I want performance and want to have repeat performance in the pups...Looks like he's getting that done...That's what I call a breeder.

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Yup nothing wrong with that.

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I have been around hounds of every type my whole life.

Average breeder for sure, but when heavily linebred hounds are outcrossed to a hound, cur, whatever with a big skill set that is when you get your stars....

Linebreeding produces like traits, you get a few very good hounds, but you concentrate the traits you are striving for. The right outcross puts you on the map with the "once in a lifetime hound." Linebreeding again will also improve your chances of consistancy in a litter. More good dogs or at least average dogs from less pups.

Sounds like this Mr. Ray has done his homework to perpetuate any line for 50 years in ANY type of hound is quite impressive. As many say he produces consistancy, much, much harder to do top to bottom than produce one above average dog in every litter.

Just my opinions but interesting reading. Good running to all!

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I have been blessed to now possess 6 ray dogs and I have yet to hunt anything like them. Mine are a bunch of misfits but they are what I have come to trust when it comes to catching a bear. Nose speed grit. I just recently put one up a tree last week over 500+ with them. This bear did quite a bit of damage before I put him up but they hung in there tough. 1 1/2 gyp got bit thru the hip and stayed with him on 3 legs until he was up. If you get a chance you need to try this line I love it.

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Joe, How did your female do? I hope she's OK...I may be down that way soon, if so I'll stop in. John Banks is not doing that good, so I better go see him. I want to visit John Ray, but most likely won't this year..I'll be getting my pup in a couple of week. Can't wait!! Hunt them Rays! Paul

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Had to be 40 years ago now, When the Ray's stop by our camp on their way home, and a couple of them blue dogs had some pretty fuzz faces

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I am curious what most of you guys describe as grit and when do the dogs you have or hunt start showing it.

I guess I am asking how do you know they have grit before you invest time and money into them or is it just on someones word a token of luck great foundation stock from proven sire and dam or is there some sort of standard or rule you go by, I mean what are we looking for to prove that they have grit or have enough grit to stick with a difficult critter.

Just seems like a fella could spend alot of time and money in a dog and never really know if it has it or doesn't until one lucky day when they have one on the ground so how do you tell if the stock you have has grit before a yr of age.

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I am curious what most of you guys describe as grit and when do the dogs you have or hunt start showing it.

I guess I am asking how do you know they have grit before you invest time and money into them or is it just on someones word a token of luck great foundation stock from proven sire and dam or is there some sort of standard or rule you go by, I mean what are we looking for to prove that they have grit or have enough grit to stick with a difficult critter.

Just seems like a fella could spend alot of time and money in a dog and never really know if it has it or doesn't until one lucky day when they have one on the ground so how do you tell if the stock you have has grit before a yr of age.

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What I call grit is a dog that will put enough pressure consistently to hold or put the animal up. As far as age I totally believe that depends on the amount of time they get hunted. Plus the quality of the hunts in the time that you're hunting them. Giving the young dogs quality opportunities makes a big difference especially when your time is limited. I don't truly think you can really know if every dog is going to have that grit before you put the time and money into them. That's why I personally believe it is very important to get your dogs from stock that shows this trait in a high percentage of the offspring.

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I totally agree with you, was just looking for what some others had to say about it.

I have sold a few dogs over the yrs knowing that they posses all the grit a man would really want. Sold some started dogs and they never got a chance, knowing that they had good potential when they left here. Sometimes it seems like people will buy a pup never hunt it and then for whatever reason think it is the dogs fault, or just don't have enough hunt smart themselves to properly train a pup or dog. I am not saying that I know everything or that all the pups / dogs I have produced have made outstanding ones, I made one cross that totally sucked all the way around, and it was truly a surprise, I expected much, much more, perhaps it was to tight of a cross.

Myself I spend quite a bit of time with my dogs and hunt quite a bit by myself for various reasons. I breed for grit, speed and gray matter. I am not real partial to mean dogs but with what I general breed they all could easily be turned into one if that is what you like or already got.

Below is a video of six 3 month old pups on the first live coon they have ever seen, it was a hot day and they had already been on a mile walk. Notice they don't have collars on and never have to date, they listen well and are very smart. Everyone that has ever been here to pick up a dog is always impressed at how well they listen or act, however I will not keep a pup that does not show this kind of grit at 3 months age. It is usually the only coon any pup will ever see as I am not a coon hunter. I have never showed them drags or any scent, just exposed them to water, woods, rides. I did not lead them to the cage but put them in the same area as it was caught. The coon was turned loose with out hounds behind him after this was video was shot near a creek. I care very little about killing coon, bear, or anything for that matter. My dogs on the other hand well they speak for themselves most of the time, sometimes they might pull one over on me but seldom. Not all of the pups in this litter are to my liking, there is one that is going to be more independent than I like and one that I don't think is going to have the stamina that I want. That is pretty bold judgments on 20-25 lb pups, I have went threw a bunch to get to the hounds I have now. But this I know ALL have grit as I know they would have pilled that coon if it wasn't for the cage separating them, enjoy fella's, this is natural grit and it is consistent in the dogs that I have been lucky enough to have had or raised, it's been a fun learning experience.

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Yep you can't control what happens once they leave your kennel. Pups sure look good in video.

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Whats the breeding on those pups? How old are they now?

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Breeding on these pups are mostly Utchman with a Splash of Old Cameron Blood.

I sold only one pup out this litter to a man just south of me. He said his pup was treeing the house cat and has caught it a time or to on the ground, and shows now fear. The pup was actually my pic of the pups at a young age. The independent pup is probably going to Mr. David Woofter. The rest I will keep, trainning season is justt around the corner and these ones should be pouring it on by then. I will pobably have a few older started dogs in Aug or Sept that will be 2 yrs or older.

Thanks for the p.ms, I don't raise but one litter a yr, alot of the time I most I keep pups unless I just have to many to feed.

The next cross I make will be of the same sire and a more concentrated Cameron blooded female that is out of Izzy, and her top side shows mostly my name on the ped.

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My female is Utchman's blue ranger IV bred.

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If you are ever interested in breeding your female give me a holla, this is the sire to the pups in the video above. He has ear popping volume is full of grit, and extremely smart. He is a reproducer of it as well, 7 out of 7 isn't to bad for starters. A bear hunter in WV should have pups out of him soon as well. I will have to wait to see how they do but I expect the same.

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She is 6 years old. The litter she had in Jan was her last one. She has had a few litters. Had going by my vets advise I just had her spayed, today actually.
I've been looking for a couple months to try to find another dog that's got the heavy blue ranger IV blood. And not having much luck. She's not directly out of him but she has seven shots of him in her 2-5 generations.

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I have been blessed to now possess 6 ray dogs and I have yet to hunt anything like them. Mine are a bunch of misfits but they are what I have come to trust when it comes to catching a bear. Nose speed grit. I just recently put one up a tree last week over 500+ with them. This bear did quite a bit of damage before I put him up but they hung in there tough. 1 1/2 gyp got bit thru the hip and stayed with him on 3 legs until he was up. If you get a chance you need to try this line I love it.

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No haven't had any on yotes but did have one young male who took a liking to a wolf he found. I curved his thought process swiftly. As far as studding out I have a really young pack of dogs not ready to breed them want more kills and experience to them first. Not necessarily interested in crossing away from this line either sorry not trying to seem funny acting or anything I'd just rather keep with what olé ray has accomplished with this line. I will be making a full ray cross lord willing after the first of the year. Only problem there is I don't want my best gyp laid up during cat season.

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Joe, My Ray pup is doing great..She is showing no fear and has a great nose. I've never had a pup quite like this one..Paul

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That's great paul. I'm glad we got to talk and I could get you sold on this pup. Wait until she is old enough to be put on some bruins I can near about guarantee that you won't be disappointed. Talk to you soon!!

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some of the pups in the video are for sale, 2 males

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