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Folks can point fingers, blame others, and try to come off that they aren't the problem but at the end of the day, it is those that attend the hunts that are the problem. It certainly isn't those of us that don't attend. Like a bunch of politicians blaming each other for the economy and while they argue and point fingers back and forth, the ship sinks. Then who is to blame? Anyway, carry on....it is fun to read.

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The average Coon hunter dosent have the go yonder 1/2 mile get treed , quick strike,stay @ the tree no matter what gators got ahold of his tail. treeing like Thunder popping , have the coon. coon dog ! there is just not that many out there any more
of corse iv never owned one of those so what do i know lol

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I still love the competition hunts but I find now that I pick and choose the local clubs I go too some have some mighty ? things that go on there so I choose not to spend my money or wast my time at these local clubs

And one other thing a really do not like is feeder buckets I hunt my dog threw the week and do have the time or money nor the places to put up feeder buckets and keep them full and than draw a cast where the guy hunts feeder buckets most of the time you turn loose in 20 yards of the bucket dogs run in and tree but most of the time there is no coon seen but they place there bucket on a circle tree some time there is but my ole mutt not used to this so uselly the outcome is not good for me I often wonder how good these bucket dogs are if they had to go hunting find a track hot or cold and tree it with a coon in it because they look like a flash in the pan to me but you you never see these bucket dogs in the world hunt why is that is it because they can control there dogs situation ? so since money is tight and gas is high I avoid the clubs with a lot of bucket warriors too

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Folks can point fingers, blame others, and try to come off that they aren't the problem but at the end of the day, it is those that attend the hunts that are the problem. It certainly isn't those of us that don't attend. Like a bunch of politicians blaming each other for the economy and while they argue and point fingers back and forth, the ship sinks. Then who is to blame? Anyway, carry on....it is fun to read.

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I still love the competition hunts but I find now that I pick and choose the local clubs I go too some have some mighty ? things that go on there so I choose not to spend my money or wast my time at these local clubs

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I got scratched fri. nite not going to say where, I have 425 plus with a cast win .Roughly a 100 dog hunt and that score would have put me close to 2nd over-all. The reason for a scratch was a non-hunting judge missed a plus sign on the score card. And yes i know I should have checked over the card and I did not. The dog did everything right treed 2 coons on a hard night and he got nothing because of a technicality which really stinks. The master of hounds pulled another card and said this is how it should look but upon me looking I showed him a plus point score with no plus beside it aand he said it was not the cast winner though so you figure that one out, I am over it had a good time treed coons and they know who had the coondog.

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This is stuff that turns people off of hunts...

We go to an RQE, we win our cast... there was only one coon scored... and had a good hunt... the cast was a good cast... get back to the club and find out that we are in the running to finish in the top 10... we set for over an hour for the dead line... the last cast shows up with 15 secs left... and bumps us to the 11th spot so we don't get in... that is all fine was glad that the last cast made it in time they had the better score and deserved it...

BUT... within the next day or two we were talking to some of our buddies that was in a different cast... and was said that he withdrew with about 35 minutes left in the hunt... well his cast finished in the top 5 of the RQE but according to our buddie the dog that won the cast was at -200 when he withdrew... and to finish with the score that the cast did they would've had to score on like 5 coons in that time period... think about this... you have to wait the 5 on each tree that is 25 minutes in itself... makes you scratch your head and go hmmmm

now I am thinking is it worth my time.. money.. and effort??? I spent around 150 dollars that Saturday in Gas alone...

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Try as you might but you can't point your finger at me or insinuate anything. Last hunt I was in was roughly 4 years ago. Pure pleasure hunter nowadays and don't regret it for a single minute. I just get a kick out of watching some of the comp hunt folks talk all big and bad about the perceived value of the comp hunts and then turn around and sling mud back and forth about whose fault it is that they aren't what the used to be for whatever reason. Um...news flash...look in the mirror. Comp hunts are what you make them, so it only stands to reason that those that attend them determine the course.

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The old days you filled the truck up for $20 to $30 and now it's $60 or $70 , a bag of feed is $30 to $40 . We badly need trucks that get at least 30/gal, or start hunting out of smaller vehicles that do .Most coonhunters have never been wealthy enough to just throw bigger money away on a steady basis . When you have to rob peter to pay paul just to go to a hunt it has you off on the wrong foot before you ever leave home . Entry fees haven't changed a lot but everything else has & there's no reason to believe it's going to stop changing , it actually never has .
Coonhunting is a hobby that many enjoyed for what was at one time an average of about 7 years and then moved on to something else . In many cases something that didn't eat and have to be cared for every day and in the long run didn't live long enough for the time invested .
If you were doing something you enjoyed (most of time) titles and such came along as you went and got better at it as you looked at what other people had & they at yours . Somewhere along the way people started thinking a dog and how they treed a coon was the most & only important thing in the world . That's not true ,never has been and shouldn't be .

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Fact is clubs are having a hard time. Very few individuals want to help. In the majority of clubs around here 2-6 individuals do most of the work. I have asked a couple of young men about joining our club, and they asked what would be in it for them.

As far as the nite hunts are concerned, I was there. I started in the hunts back in 1985. My first hunt wasn't as bad as far as the hunt. In fact, my dog was pestering a female. In the middle of the first drop, I withdrew my dog even though the judge had said nothing. The guy with the female, a well-known local competition hunter, light died. I took mine off and handed it to him. When the cast was over, and we went back to the club I could not believe how this guy told everyone how he wished young men with dogs like mine should not be allowed into the hunts.

The second hunt, another well-known local competition hunter flat out bullied me all night, and then when it was just him and me left he started calling my dog. That in itself was bad enough, but when we got back to the club he shared all the details with everyone bragging on exactly how he beat me. I could not believe that he would openly admit to calling my dog right in front of everyone. That same individual ended up barred for many years. Oddly enough, this win finished this guy’s hound to nite champion. I was a member of that club, and the guy who won our cast was not. So I was very surprised when they called me out as high scoring club member and gave me a trophy. That was when the same fella from my first hunt jumped up started cussing and letting everyone know that both my dog and I were counterfeits, and that we did not belong to the club. Fact of the matter was I had been paying dues for two years.

This was enough for me to quit night hunts for five years. Then I meet my buddy Scott. He wanted to handle my dog in the hunts. I wouldn't have anything to do with them. By 1990, Scott was wearing me down.

I am not sure how long it took me to decide to approach the hunts the right way.

Number 1 learn the rules.
Number 2 learn how to apply the rules.
Number 3 take responsibility and insure number 1 & 2 are followed. You do this by carrying the card! Following the rules, and standing up against those who attempt to twist or bend the rules as a sportsmen and adult.
Number 4 realize that the hunts are not perfect, and while we all want the best dog to win it just doesn't always happen.
Number 5 bad breaks are just that bad breaks; they happen to everyone!

You know what? I started to have more good hunts than bad!

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In the 1970's & 1980's I hunted nearly every weekend at a UKC event. There were usually 50+ registered dogs at each hunt. Our local hunt would have 20+ dogs at our monthly club hunt.
You had to have a pretty good dog to win your cast. There would be 12+ casts, so to actually win a 1st place was an accomplishment. These hunts were a big deal.

I was away from the sport for about 20 years. I have a nice dog. He trees lots of coons. I took him to a local UKC hunt. There were 8 registered dogs and 3 NtCh dogs. I won my cast and won 1st place in the hunt.

I could finish him out to NtCh in a couple of hunts but the title doesnt mean anything.

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Numbers aren't what they used to be due to a lot of what people have said on here. But a lot aren't hunting and training hounds like they used to either, not much interest, young people are into computers and video games they don't spend the time in the woods like we used to, people have changed, don't take much interest in anything and when they do and fail they just quit, jmo the mentality of a lot of younger generation (Not all, so don't get your shorts in a bunch)I've seen it a lot and I blame the parents, true it's a rat race hurry up and wait, times are tuff, money is tight , not enough time etc. But quitters never Win, not a lot of finish what you start mentality any more. The camaraderie of hounds men is not what it used to be either but can be blamed a lot on the economy also! man can't afford to run up and down the road like we used to. Myself, if don't feel dog is ready or in shape and capable of a win, not much in to donating $30 and gas money and all if don't feel confident to win, lol BUT STILL DO IT FROM TIME TO TIME, Never claimed to be the brightest, but sure enjoy listening to a hound run and tree a coon and do it right.. JMO May all have a great day!

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IMO, people are just wanting that yellow slip.

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Tim you got that right people will do anything to get that yellow slip. If my dog can't tree a coon and I can't be honest then I don't need to win.

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Number 1 learn the rules.
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Number 3 take responsibility and insure number 1 & 2 are followed. You do this by carrying the card! Following the rules, and standing up against those who attempt to twist or bend the rules as a sportsmen and adult.
Number 4 realize that the hunts are not perfect, and while we all want the best dog to win it just doesn't always happen.
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There yah go, that's the answer right there. Don't support clubs that allow crooked hunts. It's a no brainer.

That is what WE can do. The other half of the equation is UKC. I absolutely believe that there are clubs out there that exist solely for the purpose of putting cheap titles on a very few club members dogs. They actually discourage outside support. And year after year, you see the same hunt results with 5 dogs and both a reg and NtCh winner. UKC should step in and set up a basic minimum level that must be maintained in order to keep the clubs charter. A club scheduling 6 or 7 hunts per year that average one cast of dogs in reg and NtCh every time, that's a club that should be weeded out. It would increase entries at the neighboring clubs, protect the integrity of the titles and benefit everyone except those select club members that are continually titling dogs by beating no one.

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Tim you got that right people will do anything to get that yellow slip. If my dog can't tree a coon and I can't be honest then I don't need to win.

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I agree with Dirtdevil, economy and I believe less hunters around now. Also I believe our sport has gotten to serious. I have seen alot of post here complaining about inferior dogs. Well it is a sport and like alot of sports we start out at young age and to have fun.

UkC has three catogories, registered, Night Champions, and Grand Nights. If you have to wait for a perfect dog (no such animal) then our entries will go way down.

Starting out register you should (especially new hunters)be going to learn and have fun and meet good people. That is not happening alot. I have had many for good hunts then bad. We should be helping the new guys not slamming them because in our opinion they do not have a competition dog maybe just an average fur dog. Still they pay their entries and other money to the clubs for food, and maybe the suppliers that are there.

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There yah go, that's the answer right there. Don't support clubs that allow crooked hunts. It's a no brainer.

That is what WE can do. The other half of the equation is UKC. I absolutely believe that there are clubs out there that exist solely for the purpose of putting cheap titles on a very few club members dogs. They actually discourage outside support. And year after year, you see the same hunt results with 5 dogs and both a reg and NtCh winner. UKC should step in and set up a basic minimum level that must be maintained in order to keep the clubs charter. A club scheduling 6 or 7 hunts per year that average one cast of dogs in reg and NtCh every time, that's a club that should be weeded out. It would increase entries at the neighboring clubs, protect the integrity of the titles and benefit everyone except those select club members that are continually titling dogs by beating no one.

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I agree with Dirtdevil, economy and I believe less hunters around now. Also I believe our sport has gotten to serious. I have seen alot of post here complaining about inferior dogs. Well it is a sport and like alot of sports we start out at young age and to have fun.

UkC has three catogories, registered, Night Champions, and Grand Nights. If you have to wait for a perfect dog (no such animal) then our entries will go way down.

Starting out register you should (especially new hunters)be going to learn and have fun and meet good people. That is not happening alot. I have had many for good hunts then bad. We should be helping the new guys not slamming them because in our opinion they do not have a competition dog maybe just an average fur dog. Still they pay their entries and other money to the clubs for food, and maybe the suppliers that are there.

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The part I don't understand is why would 5 or 6 guys want to sit around putting cheap titles on dogs? What do they get out of that? It's not like they could brag to each other about how good their dogs are. Not saying you're not right just saying I don't get it. I guess it's kind if like bragging how good your baseball team is if every win you have was by forfeit.

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The folks I know and hunt with aint gonna cry over getting out-dogging or even cheated ... nor are we too dumb to know the rules or weak hearted enough to let anyone railroad us.

We are spoiled with having fun hunting and we don't need to vote on a tree or anythign else to know what our gut tells us is right ... so we don't really like having to vote on silly stuff at a competition hunt when even the guys wanting a vote know better .

I aint been flat cheated , but have consistantly seen the rules bent and exceptions made to the point that I know they are used more fluidly than what folks on here admit to .

We are dissapointed that as newbies to a club or the occasional nite hunter ... the regulars are comfortable enough to pull some of the stuff they do ..it tells us that the integrity of the hunts is lacking and we would rather keep our integrity and hunt at home.

It doesn't matter to us if the regulars and clubs wanna make up their reasons why we don't attend and answer for us .. or if people don't wanna listen and change ... we are doing fine keeping our entry money and participation out of it .

I'm not trying to put a completely negative spin on the hunts .. but it's more about the spirit of competition and the people than the dogs .... and that distinction will always be there to define the competition hunters and the pleasure hunters.

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I remember even when I was young there being 70 dogs at a local hunt. But keep in mind there was 1 local hunt all year sometimes. I go to a hunt every Friday and Saturday now and never have to ride 2 hours to get there. 20 dogs at each hunt times 8 clubs within 1 hour that's 160 dogs bigger than it used to be its just spread out thinner. I don't know this to be fact just an opinion of what I see. Feel free to disagree 8 don't mind. Lol I agree I would like to see all club do better and more dogs could do that.

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