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ron moore i feel the same as you upon this subject. now i was on a 4 dog cast this summer that a walker male treed 3 coon in the cast that the other 3 dogs just couldn't seem to even know was up a tree. we just couldn't even explain how this dog managed to put it on these other dogs (mine included) but even though he did that it wasn't that he was treeing lay ups. he looked impressive that nite but most nites he is a slick treeing idiot. no joke.

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ron moore i feel the same as you upon this subject. now i was on a 4 dog cast this summer that a walker male treed 3 coon in the cast that the other 3 dogs just couldn't seem to even know was up a tree. we just couldn't even explain how this dog managed to put it on these other dogs (mine included) but even though he did that it wasn't that he was treeing lay ups. he looked impressive that nite but most nites he is a slick treeing idiot. no joke.

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I have a dog that can wind a laid up coon.he is getting more accurate at treeing them. But I would think he is checking trees. My honest opinion

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Ron, I agree that many hounds tree alot of layup coon because they don't open on bad tracks. Chiefs Joe for example never treed a coon that I remember without running his mouth on the ground. Rebel treed half the time without opening on the ground. Flo is very similar to Rebel. Some nights Irene may open on the ground on every coon she trees but the next night she may tree 5 coon and never make a track bark. I prefer a hound that opens when they smell a coon but lots of track barking makes my head hurt. I like track power without a bunch of noise. Natural Blue Rose had a little bit to do with the way Ranger 5 performed and she didn't tree a bunch of layups.

I like a pup to tree early on. If they don't run a track pretty good after a few months of hunting I won't like it. All but one of the top hounds that I trained treed early after starting. I have got rid of a pile of them for not moving a track the way I like.

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Ron, I agree that many hounds tree alot of layup coon because they don't open on bad tracks. Chiefs Joe for example never treed a coon that I remember without running his mouth on the ground. Rebel treed half the time without opening on the ground. Flo is very similar to Rebel. Some nights Irene may open on the ground on every coon she trees but the next night she may tree 5 coon and never make a track bark. I prefer a hound that opens when they smell a coon but lots of track barking makes my head hurt. I like track power without a bunch of noise. Natural Blue Rose had a little bit to do with the way Ranger 5 performed and she didn't tree a bunch of layups.

I like a pup to tree early on. If they don't run a track pretty good after a few months of hunting I won't like it. All but one of the top hounds that I trained treed early after starting. I have got rid of a pile of them for not moving a track the way I like.

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John, I had one of those I called Meat. I sold him as a 2 yr old. I heard Gary had him for awhile. I do believe you could have used Meat as your pup trainer or check dog when he was 18 months old.

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TREEDOG!!!!!!!!!!!!!Breed them to tree they can learn to track.......Tim

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John, I had one of those I called Meat. I sold him as a 2 yr old. I heard Gary had him for awhile. I do believe you could have used Meat as your pup trainer or check dog when he was 18 months old.

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When I started this thread over 3 years ago, I was interested in the opinions of people who love to follow the Bluetick hounds. I figured that opinions would vary and that's exactly what happened. To me, this is a good thing for the breed. We may never totally agree with each other on what we like to see out of our pups but opening up dialogue like this helps everyone understand the different perspectives in how we see and view things. This is what keeps things fun and moving forward for our breed.

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Gary, regardless of treedog, track dog or both the bottom line is accuracy and how often for me. I don't care how it's done but a hound that can tree 5 or more singles night after night is most important to me. I know in lots of places this may not be possible because of coon population. However, around here it still takes a hound that can make it happen.

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Hello Dennis,
I agree with you on the importance of accuracy. I will not keep a hound very long if it slick trees. It is very discouraging to climb these West Virginia hills only to look at a slick tree. Treeing five singles night in and night out is just not realistic in the hills of WV. Sometimes just getting one turnout in during a two hour night hunt in UKC happens just because of the rugged terrain. I firmly believe a person needs a good track dog to tree coons on a regular basis in these hills with thin coon population. I can also see why people who live in an area of thick coon populations don't have a need for great track dogs but prefer a dog that looks to get treed quickly. The area you live in most likely dictates the style of hound you hunt. The question I asked at the beginning of this thread has made for some interesting reading. Obviously most everyone would prefer a balanced hound with plenty of brains but we all know we don't get that with every pup.

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I look for balance in my hounds. Just not balance in tracking & treeing. Mouth, looks, the way a hound uses their mouth, locating ability etc...

Phil Davis was up to hunt tonight. Hate to tell how many we treed to someone hunting mountains with thin coon. At 11 pm Phil needed to get started home and we had treed 12 trees that we saw coon in. A real nice hunt even for this area.

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It sounds like you live in a area that has plenty of coon. Good luck with your hounds and the rest of the coon season.

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Hello Dennis,
I agree with you on the importance of accuracy. I will not keep a hound very long if it slick trees. It is very discouraging to climb these West Virginia hills only to look at a slick tree. Treeing five singles night in and night out is just not realistic in the hills of WV. Sometimes just getting one turnout in during a two hour night hunt in UKC happens just because of the rugged terrain. I firmly believe a person needs a good track dog to tree coons on a regular basis in these hills with thin coon population. I can also see why people who live in an area of thick coon populations don't have a need for great track dogs but prefer a dog that looks to get treed quickly. The area you live in most likely dictates the style of hound you hunt. The question I asked at the beginning of this thread has made for some interesting reading. Obviously most everyone would prefer a balanced hound with plenty of brains but we all know we don't get that with every pup.

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I agree with you Gary, these hills will take their toll on a body after a couple drops. I used to live in Indiana and loved it for coon hunting. You could make a half a dozen drops on a work night and still get in bed at a good time, course I was much younger then. They have to have a coon when I climb to the top of a hill or it won't last long.
We still have that Satch dog out of Sport and Emma that is doing a great job. Been treeing a lot of coon with him and he is the right kind of track dog. As you remember they are pretty heavy on the old Ranger V blood. Hope your season is going well.

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Hello Ron,
It's good to hear from you. I know of a couple more males from that cross that are making their owners proud. Not all of the pups from that cross made it but some of them are finishing into very good hounds. My coon season has been going well. I am hunting a female out of Foggy Mountain Blaze x Jeffers' Blue Izzy. I am liking her a lot. She's not a coondog yet but I'm having fun watching her develop into one. Good luck with the rest of your coon season.

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WHAT DO I LIKE TO SEE IN A YOUNG PUP HOLE DIGGING TRASH RUNNING TREE MONSTER THAT YOU GOT TO SHOCK TO GET TO COME IN THEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK WITH

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I like a Bold Good Looking Pup with Brains and a Good Mouth.
As Far as Track or Tree I will take tree but without both in the end I don't have a place for the young hound. Dave ( To Me Brains
Is the Key Here ) Dave Woofter P.S. Some may think it's funny but after I look at a pup and I think it has what I am looking for I look into it eyes and then I will make my choice. Something about the look in a smart pups eyes. LOL!

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They cant hardly tree with out putting there nose on the ground a little to begin with. But I guess I would like to see the treeing and staying put first. It takes longer for a hound to learn to work a tough track in tough conditions so the treeing should come first.

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I'd rather them be more tree minded as a young dog. I can take some tree out, I can't put any in.

ALL dogs are capable of trailing scent.

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I have had track dogs that never treed, but never a tree dog that never tracked somewhat, it's strictly up to the trainer/handler to decide what he/she wants in a hound, everyone has their own methods and opinions, to each their own, they are the ones that have to feed them!!

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