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Awesome won 5 straight cast against some of the best out there to become world champ. guess he got lucky. Hell if its so easy, why haven't you done it. Pays better than that $5000 you was talking about in your other post and only have to hunt one week to get it. LOL

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i didnt say in one week see your adding words that didnt come out of my mouth i said the guy called me up herd from word of mouth i can train a dog well he ask me how much i would charge to have his young dog treeing coons night in and night out and i told him 5000 because the dog would of had to been at my house for upwards of six to nine months now if a man wanted a dog just started sure id start one but im not doing nothing to break even or go in the hole now we all go into the hole with are own dogs unless you own mojo so if im taken my time from my dogs to work on someone else dog im not just gonna throw my time away chargen him 150 to 300 a month.

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I like the half mate cross. If you have a strain of dogs that have all the traits you want and you are satisfied with the only way you can preserve this strain is to linebreed. This includes occasional half mate crosses. My personal favorite and what seems to work best for me is breeding the uncles back to the neices and nephews back to aunts. I have preserved a strain of UKC reg. Treeing Feist squirrel dogs like this for 30 years. Through selection of the best related individuals to breed these feist are noticably better and more alike as a family than when I started.The percentage rate of pups that tree naturally in the litters is over 90%. I never would have thought it possible but I have the proof and a plenty of ref. of people that own my feist.I competed with Game Roosters for 40 plus years and used these breeding methods on my fowl with excellent results to produce winners.The experience with fowl is what caused me to try it on my feist. I am now using these same breeding methods on my Skuna River Walkers and my Leopard Hounds with very good results. I have proof of this here that I can take you hunting with any time with appt.If you have what you like preserve it by linebreeding. Every time you make an unrelated outcross you lose at least half of the traits you had in the pups out of such a mating.The most important aspect to linebreeding a family of animals is selecting the very best individuals in the family to breed. I solved this by giving a couple pups away out of most every litter to local hard hunting hard to please people on the agreement I can use the dog later for a breeding if I need to. This has worked real good and often the stud dog I use is owned by someone else but out of one of my matings. To breed like this requires too many individual dogs for one person to do it. If you have truly good dogs it is not hard to give a couple male pups to hard local hunters.

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i didnt say in one week see your adding words that didnt come out of my mouth i said the guy called me up herd from word of mouth i can train a dog well he ask me how much i would charge to have his young dog treeing coons night in and night out and i told him 5000 because the dog would of had to been at my house for upwards of six to nine months now if a man wanted a dog just started sure id start one but im not doing nothing to break even or go in the hole now we all go into the hole with are own dogs unless you own mojo so if im taken my time from my dogs to work on someone else dog im not just gonna throw my time away chargen him 150 to 300 a month.

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yes and all ive been sayen is with what i herd with him only scoren 75 not sayen its true i was just told that by a couple people that and it just looks piss poor in my eyes a dog that can win the world should of atleast been higher then that now could he of been put were no coons were at? maybe but i doubt the final cast of the world would be taken to no mans land all the other world champs from on back had good plus points why couldnt him or could it be he is not as good as the others just got LUCKY

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Yes, I guess your right. He just got lucky 5 straight cast in a row. LOL

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thats all it is luck it was just that dogs time they could of hed it agien the next week and he might not of even came in the top ten.

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Bobby I just moved a post up on the Hillbilly Mac Thread ,,It shows Mac won that UKC world hunt with 50+ points ,,,I think slobbermouth21 really needs to evaluate that card .

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Chuck, I am tired of beating a dead horse.

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50 plus don't sound like much,,,But it darn sure was enough to take care of business.

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if your gonna pay a stud fee out of a male that is ukc and pkc hunted ask to see his win slips and see how much he scored and how much he got minused i think the english dog that won the pkc world totaly awsome or whatever his name is won it with 75 points i dont know if its true or not but if it is its just proof you dont have to be a coondog to win hunts.

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a cross i just made

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Macer the coon chaser
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.....Grch GrNitech Gibbies Lead
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LOL ,LOL ,,,Yeah I've been reading this thread,,, If some people would lose their tunnel vision and see THE BIG PICTURE They would be better off .

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A lot of people don,t seem to understand and probably never will understand that what is important when choosing a stud dog is not how many points the stud dog can put on the card but but how many points a good percentage of his offspring can put on the card. Often times the very best producing dogs are not anything more than average dogs themselves.When a dog has a great record for producing good dogs the scores the stud dog had are of no importance anyway. The odds are 100% against you getting a dog identical to its sire anyway. Far more importance should be placed on having a real good mother for your pups.The one thing that has took the Walker breed backward more than anything is people breeding non hunting poor producing "Brood" females to big name winners just to sell pups.The chances of getting a good pup from such matings is nil to none. This has been going on for a long time and the results are really starting to hit home as indicated by all the slick treers around with no tracking ability. Breeding is not something anyone can just jump into and be successful at. It takes years of actual experience and the prospective breeder better be ready to spend money the first few years and not show a profit if they are going to make a good breeder.

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Great post Mr. Kirkland .

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Sam, When you get right down to it, very few world champs have ever proven to be a great or even good reproducers.

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Sam, When you get right down to it, very few world champs have ever proven to be a great or even good reproducers.

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black dont say nothing about cheats/slick handlers and guides that stuff dont happen remember!?? haha

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i believe the mainstreet jack dog was from a 1/2 bro. 1/2 sister cross....

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Best dog I ever owned was a half brother sister cross. His mom and dad were both out of Pac-man. I do alot of line breeding and had good results. Half brother and sister is as close as I will breed though.

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......................GrNtCh Swift Creek Magnum
.............Lampman's Northern Patch
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Nite Ch TRACER THE COON CHASER
-------------Ch Grnitech PR River Bend Flag
----------Grnitech PR Baumbachs Pulpwood
-------------PR Lanier's Kate
------Grch Grnitech PR Gibbies Lead
----------Grnitech PR Baumbachs Tiny Trouble
Nitech Gibbies peanut
------------- Grnitech PR River Bend Flag
----------Grnitech PR Swift Creek Magnum
-------------PR Kaw River Rose
------PR Gibbies Maggie
-------------Grnitech Grch PR Spring Creek Radar
----------PR Gaithers Bad News Annie
-------------PR Parrott's Magic

a cross i just made

.........GrNitech Red River Goose
.....GrNitech Bad News Bob
.......... Nitech Richards Lousiana Lady
..Alabama Spook
........... Nitech Houstons Alabama Buddy
..... Alabama lima bean
......... Nitech Delps Stylish Pac Lady
Macer the coon chaser
..........GrNitech Baumbachs Pulpwood
.....Grch GrNitech Gibbies Lead
..........GrNitech Baumbachs Tiny Trouble
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..........GrNitech Swift Creek Magnum
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.............River Bend Moon
GrNtChGrCh Neosho River Rudy
.............ChGrNtCh Rock River Sackett Jr.
......GrNtCh Rock River Honey Bee
......................GrNtCh Swift Creek Magnum
.............Lampman's Northern Patch
.......................NtCh Hicks' Lou
Nite Ch TRACER THE COON CHASER
-------------Ch Grnitech PR River Bend Flag
----------Grnitech PR Baumbachs Pulpwood
-------------PR Lanier's Kate
------Grch Grnitech PR Gibbies Lead
----------Grnitech PR Baumbachs Tiny Trouble
Nitech Gibbies peanut
------------- Grnitech PR River Bend Flag
----------Grnitech PR Swift Creek Magnum
-------------PR Kaw River Rose
------PR Gibbies Maggie
-------------Grnitech Grch PR Spring Creek Radar
----------PR Gaithers Bad News Annie
-------------PR Parrott's Magic

a cross i just made

.........GrNitech Red River Goose
.....GrNitech Bad News Bob
.......... Nitech Richards Lousiana Lady
..Alabama Spook
........... Nitech Houstons Alabama Buddy
..... Alabama lima bean
......... Nitech Delps Stylish Pac Lady
Macer the coon chaser
..........GrNitech Baumbachs Pulpwood
.....Grch GrNitech Gibbies Lead
..........GrNitech Baumbachs Tiny Trouble
..Nitech Gibbies Peanut
..........GrNitech Swift Creek Magnum
.....Gibbies Maggie
..........Gaithers bad news annie

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would like to know is how many of you have won a world hunt? Put your boots on and try it I believe you'll find out it's a little harder than you may think . Besides wasn't there three other dogs out there? Try it you may like it or not. The AWSOME dog won it end of story. TOM

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Ransom what line of walkers do you call track dogs? I would like to know.Thanks

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Could have been mine ,both Out of WILD CHILD JOKER. They are six months old ,I kept a male and a female and both are making dogs. I really didn't know how it would turn out but as of now I may do it again. The female was treeing squirels at three months ,the male is slower but may be better in the end. I am retired and spend a great deal of time with my pups .I also have the perfect place to rise and train pups. Like someone said try it you'll never know until you do. TOM

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