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and it seems to me thats what people are breeding for quick treeing point stacking up dogs.why dont people breed for dogs that catch game consistently.coon bear hog or cat.breed dogs that will catch game instead of dogs that score points.

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i could of swore it was in the blue book in the open event on the right hand side but i could be wrong

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talk about how good your all grand dog is but turn him loose in the daytime and see what he does.most of them dont know whats going on and they just run in there n tree on a sapling.they dont know to hunt trail and tree a live animal

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i aint never owned a all grand dog but i know what you mean ive seen dogs that you turn them aloose by themselves they look like crap run around like idiots turn them aloose with a dog they look like a million bucks.

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I hunted the new years jamboree the year The amtrack dog won the Grand American with 1400 plus or what ever he had.. The hunts are about 30 miles apart so not that far.. The Pkc hunt high score that night was 400 plus no circle no minus.. Go figure.. In March of that year Amtrack came down to my club for our PKC Peach State Jamboree.. Just so happens I was sick and didnt hunt. I decided to ride along and see him go.. I was highly disapointed when he had 800 minus in the first 45 minutes and theyre was 4 coons treed with in a 300 yard circle of the truck.. Go figure..

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yea ive had grade dogs that were mixed up english walker plott etc that make those type dogs look like crap.nothing fancy they just go hunt the game you train them to hunt and catch it.no bs no excuses.i like crossing walkers in with my bear dogs and have a couple walkers in the kennel now but i wish these guys would wake up before they breed the trailing instinct out.i like there speed and they start quit but dang the fighting and slick treeing gets old

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Any dog treed after the minute trees in for 25 up to the 5 min. closing of the tree. If the 5 has has expired a dog declared treed has to be treed in for 100

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Most people don't know how to handle a high powered tree dog around a tree. Most are in a hurry to run to them when they are pups just learning then want to rattle thier ears and thump thier ribs after they get there before they even know what if anything they have treed. Modern tree dogs need very little encouragement to tree, By rushing to them you never give them a chance to check themselves. Pumping them up on a tree gets thier excitement level up which can eventually turn into jealousy and aggression on a tree. Look and think before you praise a dog.

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Pkc and money have made all you coonhunters breed your walkers to tree trees instead of tree coons.

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I believe the level of dog in pkc are better if your payen your entry and the purse is 1000 dollars or more you not gonna be bringen a bs dog now does that dog need to be a coondog no he can be a tree dog and as long as he locks down on big trees that can barely be checked he will get circled now don't get me wrong I don't think most people hunting ukc are taken bs dogs to it but there have been me to dogs made into grand nights because they are first strike second tree dogs I'm a firm believer just because its got titles does not mean its 100% coondog some of them type of dogs are never put in a hunt and will have mostly pr peds even if they do have a ped I've seen grade dogs whoop a bunch of titled dogs the old man never comp hunted just pleasure.

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A lot of times comparing a hide dog to a competition dog is like comparing apples to oranges because each is great in their own way.. Most hide dogs Ive seen will stop treeing and start running around the canopy looking up when it sees your light coming because its had so many coons shot to it.. No all but some.. A lot of hide dogs are not encouraged to be so quick to tree so they take their time and check their trees for accuracy which once again something that competition hounds are discouraged from.. In general a hide hunters dog will smoke a competition dog when it comes to filling your truck with coons but are useless when it comes to competing.. In a lot of circumstances the rules in a hunt will tear a hide dog a new one because of habbits the dog has that may not matter to somebody looking for fur.. Once again there is always exeptions, Im just speaking in general.

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I believe the level of dog in pkc are better if your payen your entry and the purse is 1000 dollars or more you not gonna be bringen a bs dog now does that dog need to be a coondog no he can be a tree dog and as long as he locks down on big trees that can barely be checked he will get circled now don't get me wrong I don't think most people hunting ukc are taken bs dogs to it but there have been me to dogs made into grand nights because they are first strike second tree dogs I'm a firm believer just because its got titles does not mean its 100% coondog some of them type of dogs are never put in a hunt and will have mostly pr peds even if they do have a ped I've seen grade dogs whoop a bunch of titled dogs the old man never comp hunted just pleasure.

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What you said about circle points is how 90% of people who dont know any thing about Pkc view the kennel club.. The fact is when the smoke blows a dog racking up circle points can never beat a dog racking up plus points.. Ive coon hunted a long time and I pretty much know when I walk into a tree if the coon is likely to be there or not with the occasional exception.. If the coon is there and you know what your doing you can find him for the most part.. Ive only walked to 4 or 5 dens in the last 5 years that I felt the coon was there that I didnt get him to run out.

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PKC is the best registry out there . I've yet to have an argument in any cast I've been in . People that show up to PKC hunts around here all know the rules and are all packing dogs that can win. Usually dogs split up in pkc and majority want to pack in ukc.Very few people are going to show up to a 50.00 dollar weekend hunt packing junk. Go to a Ukc hunt and every other cast there is a problem of some sort. And usually there are only 1 or 2 dogs that stick out and the other dogs are completely outclassed. Long story short PKC is by far a more professional registration. The people that trash PKC simply haven't hunted in enough or are just repeating what they heard some other ignorant person say

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PKC is the best registry out there . I've yet to have an argument in any cast I've been in . People that show up to PKC hunts around here all know the rules and are all packing dogs that can win. Usually dogs split up in pkc and majority want to pack in ukc.Very few people are going to show up to a 50.00 dollar weekend hunt packing junk. Go to a Ukc hunt and every other cast there is a problem of some sort. And usually there are only 1 or 2 dogs that stick out and the other dogs are completely outclassed. Long story short PKC is by far a more professional registration. The people that trash PKC simply haven't hunted in enough or are just repeating what they heard some other ignorant person say

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Well the last thing I've ever seen is anything you have mentioned. But I'm not calling you a liar , I know people are crazy

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after the 5 adog is treed for 100 if a dogs are together its minused because their considered split

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Well the last thing I've ever seen is anything you have mentioned. But I'm not calling you a liar , I know people are crazy

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I've never hunt in a PKC event but been on a few casts and hung out at the clubs some. I will agree with a better class of dog but what I disagree with is this... Saw two men fist fighting in the parking lot, saw a bunch of arguing in the woods, numerous fighting on the tree that was overlooked, gambling, intimidation by man and beast... If that's what you like then go for it!

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PKC LETS TOOO MUCH GO ON NO DOG SHOULD WIN A CAST ON MINUS POINTS OR CIRCLE POINTS THAT JUST TELLS ME THERE IS NO CORRECTING WHEN A DOG SLICK TREES IN UKC YA PLUS THEM OR MINUUUS THEM NO EXCUSES I WOULD LIKE TOO SEE A SHOW DOWN BETWEEN PKC UKC WORLD CHAMPION WHAT DO YOU THINK LOL JUST THOUGHT

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It was a PKC dog that won The UKC world last year. The handler was barred from PKC so yes they do take care of unwanted behavior over there. I've hunted both, you'll get written up just as quick there as you will here. If you don't think so ,jump in one of thier hunts and try to get away with something. It's hard to form an accurate opinion of something you have never personally participated in.

In reality, most of your top dogs hunt both and do well in both.

Someone tell me what designates a UKC dog from a PKC dog. I don't know the difference.

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PKC LETS TOOO MUCH GO ON NO DOG SHOULD WIN A CAST ON MINUS POINTS OR CIRCLE POINTS THAT JUST TELLS ME THERE IS NO CORRECTING WHEN A DOG SLICK TREES IN UKC YA PLUS THEM OR MINUUUS THEM NO EXCUSES I WOULD LIKE TOO SEE A SHOW DOWN BETWEEN PKC UKC WORLD CHAMPION WHAT DO YOU THINK LOL JUST THOUGHT

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I've seen some pretty slick trees circled in UKC. Ain't much you can do when 3 dogs on it and yours ain't. Pretty sure you know how the vote went LMAO.

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PKC LETS TOOO MUCH GO ON NO DOG SHOULD WIN A CAST ON MINUS POINTS OR CIRCLE POINTS THAT JUST TELLS ME THERE IS NO CORRECTING WHEN A DOG SLICK TREES IN UKC YA PLUS THEM OR MINUUUS THEM NO EXCUSES I WOULD LIKE TOO SEE A SHOW DOWN BETWEEN PKC UKC WORLD CHAMPION WHAT DO YOU THINK LOL JUST THOUGHT

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